Prediction Markets Explained, Why People Are Betting On Politics Instead Of Trusting The Media | 4/15/26

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go to my office, sit in my desk, forget the world, I'm like all of the rest. I sit in a dream about faraway places, away from the people with crowns and their faces. All of my life is moon underneath. I'd go out for a walk, but I know it would be sure as the nose at my face.

Same for the whole human race Once we had so many options Once we had dignity and grace Now we have got nothing but our own tazzy wits

Predictable. Yeah, that's the word I'm hearing. Predictable. All I see, all I hear. Why can't it be like never before? Predictable. Yeah, it ain't like before. Predictable. Life gets more and more.

Just like you've heard it out somewhere before. Intimidate. Just the nose on my face. Intimidate. Same for the whole human race. One day, one day, it's gonna get better some way. Some way. I wish it would get worse anyway.

Can I lose? It might turn into something better. It's harder and harder the harder I try. It feels like a good time to die. Kiss you hello then I kiss you goodbye. Just like the stain on my tie. Just like the jacket I wear.

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The way that I comb in my hair Turn on the TV, just sit and stare There's nothing bad from the air Yeah, that's the word I feel All I see, all I hear

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Destroy my empathy, I hate to bite the hand that feeds me so much information The precious on screen, the saddest things that you don't need It's too much information for me

Hey TV child, look into my eye

Here by intervention I want your attention Promotion boy In a suit and tie He wants you to use it Yet some shit to lose it It's cause they got a cable That never sold before It comes from manufacturer It's sponsoring the war It comes from you We love from maybe you

Destroyed by agency I ate a bite with a hammer There's been so much information The pressures on screen are saying things that you don't need It's too much information for me

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Destroyed by the MCV I hate to buy the hammer, think there's so much information. The precious on the screen is sad to think that you don't need it's too much information. Destroyed by the MCV I hate to buy the hammer, think there's so much information. The precious on the screen is sad to think that

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Welcome to this edition of At the Mic. I'm your host, Keith Malinak. I am so grateful you joined me. is Wednesday, is April 15th. It's a beautiful day to pay your taxes. let me get the banners off. Sorry. I will never, apparently never again, remember to take the banners off before we get started. I guess that's just how I'm going to do it now. Yes, Tommy, taxation is theft. You know what?

I ran out of whiteboards, Tommy. I never want to lose my 9-11 whiteboard. my gosh, I need to update this. It's been a little bumped, as you can see. So I was going to put a giant sign behind me that said just that, taxation is theft. Back here somewhere, maybe move Richard Simmons for the day. But I didn't do that. I wanted to hang on to my... I need to laminate my 9-11 conspiracy scale. That's what I need to do. And I think I will.

I'll go to Kinko's. It'll probably start an interesting conversation. We will have an interesting conversation here shortly with Stu Brigier. He is going to join us. I hope he's going to join us. But don't lose hope. It's my fault if he doesn't. As you know, I've been having a little saga with my cell phone situation. So apparently, stuff has been coming to me that I didn't realize. Finally, Martin broke through and said that they need the link again. Anyway.

But when I switched, I had to switch my text deal to the Google messages. And when I did that, I made that switch back. So if you don't know, had an S24, I went to S26. It sucks. It's got bugs. I hate it. Switched back to S24. And then about three dozen texts just came through about 10 minutes ago. So no, it's fun. It's fun when people are trying to.

to communicate with you and you're unable to do so. We're gonna cover a lot of stuff with Stu today. I just got a text from him. He says they're about to jump in here, so that'd be perfect. So if you aren't familiar with my story with Glenn Beck and The Blaze, it actually starts, well, you know what? It actually starts 2001. Yeah, fall of 2001 when Glenn came to Houston and I was producing Pat Gray's show.

Keith Malinak (12:23.086)

They're at KPRC. And, you know, I just thought, hey, that'd be cool one day. Maybe we work for the Glenn Beck Empire. And lo and behold, we actually ended up doing just that, and I. It was 2009. I was on a family vacation. And I say vacation, we were visiting family in Omaha, Nebraska. And so I got an interview for a job. And I had to fly to New York. And I flew.

in and out. I didn't even spend the night in New York. It was pretty cool. They flew me out there and I interviewed with one Stephen Breguier and he ended up, if you don't like me over at the Blaze, you should blame Stu because Stu is the one that agreed to hire me. It's his fault. This was back in 2009. And in fact, I think I see Stu right here. Hi, Stu. How are you? Yeah, it's good. Are you good? You ready to go?

Stu Burguiere (13:16.984)

Heath, can you hear me?

I'm ready to go. Let's do it.

Keith Malinak (13:22.956)

I was just telling them when they should blame you for hiring me at the Blaze in 2009 to work for the Glenn Beck Empire. That was all your fault.

Stu Burguiere (13:32.979)

It's not, it doesn't lead my resume. That's right. I will say. No, yeah.

Keith Malinak (13:39.114)

I want people to know you were under a blanket when you interviewed me in your office. I mean, you've been cold, think, your entire life.

Stu Burguiere (13:47.874)

That's very real. So was I really under a blanket when I did the interview? That's very strict.

Keith Malinak (13:52.396)

Let me actually set this up. I wasn't going to say this whole story, but yes. You had a lot going on that day. I believe that Glenn Beck had said something unflattering toward the president of the United States at the time, Barack Obama. And you were, think, trying to craft a response to that. And so you were huddled up in your office trying to pound out a response. It wasn't the best day for me to fly to town, but the airplane ticket was already purchased and I was on my way. So you had to deal with me.

Stu Burguiere (14:21.422)

God, that's amazing. I actually don't remember that altogether. Hopefully I was paying attention. I do remember you interviewing very well and seeming like you'd be very, you do a great job, which I would say you have over the years. Now, obviously if I was talking about Jeffy, I wouldn't say that, but since I'm talking about you, I can admit it. Yeah, no, was, was like, it's funny how that happens. It's amazing too.

Keith, I've been thinking about this a lot lately, right? Because my whole situation employment wise has kind of changed recently as some may know. After 28 years working with Glenn, I'm kind of doing some stuff on my own now. But I've been thinking about this a lot. What we've gone through as a kind of a group is really kind of unheard of, right? It doesn't happen where we have a group that sticks together for that long.

that is between me, you, Pat, Jeffy, Glenn, and Sarah, like that entire kind of group and a few others that have been involved as well. That's not normal for this business at all. And so it's been great to kind of go through that.

Keith Malinak (15:30.542)

Yeah. Yeah. And if I still make it, if I'm still employed on August 3rd, it will have been 17 years. But like you said, you've worked in nearly 30 years with Glenn yourself. And I do want to talk about that because I mean, man, what was it? Just a couple of months ago, you started this new venture and we're going to spend a lot of time on that. But I mean, you stay busy. mean, you did the Glenn Beck radio thing. You do Stu Does America, which has now transitioned to

I guess you're tag teaming now, Stu and Dave do America. And that's in addition to your new show. mean, bro, where do you find time? Where do you find the energy?

Stu Burguiere (16:09.752)

You know, it's funny, it's been one of those things. I don't have a lot of energy. First of all, I also, you know, now have a kid, two teenagers, which is, you know, you don't have energy at all when that happens. It doesn't seem possible that I have two teenagers. You've gone through this process as well. doesn't, it turns your entire life upside down when you stop and think about what's going on. But you know, it is a, it's a thing where like for so many years,

my life was very much built around what Glenn was doing, right? Like it was always every single vacation I took was based around whether Glenn was going on vacation. And every, you know, every single day when I woke up, this is going to sound like very normal to people, but it was like you, had to wake up at that specific time, do that specific thing at that specific time. That's how jobs typically work. I understand. But, you know, it is one of those things when you're, you're, you're,

In media in particular, like it's a very odd situation where you're kind of, your life is sort of secondary to another person. Your whole thing is based on that. And for the first time now, I'm in a situation where I don't have that anymore. Like it's now, I work with Dave, Dave Landau is a comedian. If you watch his TV, you probably know him from Normal World, but he's a really funny comedian. We started the show up Stu and Dave do America.

You know, Dave travels a lot, we're kind of, you we there's some schedule management there, but largely like now it's just kind of like I do the shows we have. We do the shows kind of in the middle of the day. I'm able to bring my kids to school. You know, when I want to take a vacation, I just have to say, hey, this is the week I'm going. It's it's a totally new world, Keith. I'm not used to it yet. I don't really understand how to manage my life by myself.

Keith Malinak (17:59.15)

Hold on. That's a fact. I'm sorry. Just because, you know, I've always had to communicate with other people and try and schedule things. And so, yes, that's interesting that now you're having to man your own ship, bro. Is that working out okay, mean, are you... Okay, what time did you wake up and what time do you get to wake up now? Are you getting a little bit more sleep at least?

Stu Burguiere (18:22.51)

Not really as far as more sleep. mean, typically, so one of the things I've been able to do, which I haven't been able to do since really, you know, for years and years years and years is get up and like help the, you know, make breakfast for the kids. Like as I get them, get them started in the morning, bring them to school. I love that stuff, you know, and it's one of those things where it can be, I think the one way to look at it is it's like a chore, right? You're doing all this stuff, but like, I'm not like that.

Like it's not how I look at it at all. It's one of those things where like going to go to their baseball games, going to my daughter's gymnastics meets like that is like prime time. What like American dream type stuff to me, you know? And one of the things that this this does free me up to do more of that, you know, that's cool. It's one of the things I focus on a lot when when thinking about the decision, because you know, I love working with Glenn work with him the entire, you know, for 28 years.

Could have kept going forever with it and really enjoyed working with Glenn. I like, know, he's great and I love him You know, you know had a great relationship and an almost impossibly positive working relationship When you're talking about working with someone in radio for 28 years, but at the end of the day, you know, it was it was It's a key time in their lives. It's time, you know, you're getting we're getting to that age Keith where these things I mean

life changes pretty fast. want to make sure I'm there for as much of it as I can be. So it's a good change for me in that I'm able to pick them up. I'm able to drop them off. I'm able to get to everything that I want to get to. So I think it's going to be a positive change, but it's a lot to adjust to. know, it's so much of my day before was scheduled. Like I had to be here and I had to do this and then I had to move immediately to this meeting. Like this is a lot more. It's been a lot last couple of months, been a lot of planning and you know, like off time meetings and not for I had one full week, Keith, where I didn't do any shows.

at all. wasn't a vacation week. It was a week where I didn't do a show the first time in 28 years I had a week with that was a vacation time that I just didn't do a show. And bizarre adjustment. But, you know, I tried to stay off of social media as much as I could that week.

Keith Malinak (20:25.838)

I highly recommend that. I don't take that advice, but I try to do that at times. I think my record might be like four days. kudos to you. All right. I have so many questions about predictable show.com and we're going to get to those. before I forget, one of the things we started doing here recently on At the Mic is on Tuesdays, we do a throwback episode.

And it's a Tuesday throwback. You go to ATMshow.com and in a few weeks, there's gonna be episodes that involve you. And I say episodes plural because you and Brad Staggs were the only two two-parters. So everything you wanted to know about Stubergear coming up in a few weeks, that was a fun conversation. My goodness, we covered a lot of ground. So that's coming up.

and a few Tuesdays. So be looking for that over atmshow.com. Now it's tax day. know, I know you love this day as we all do. It's a, it's a beautiful day in America. Do your patriotic duty and sign over that check because what they took from your paycheck originally wasn't nearly enough. But, I've got, I've got a few fun facts here. And tomorrow we're going to do a deep dive, with Paul Magnus and our Phil Magnus. And we're going to talk about the, the history of the,

federal income tax, it's gonna be story time. So we'll get into a lot more tomorrow. yeah, I like him a lot. 3pm Eastern. But there's that sweet spot, you know, between 1868, 1865 and 1913, we had no federal income tax. And then who was it that signed the? Do you have any idea? I think it was one of your favorite presidents in history.

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Stu Burguiere (22:13.98)

that's right. Woodrow freaking Wilson, the most annoying president until most of our recent presidents. Funny. I keep I always want to say he's the worst, but honestly, we've we've been really competing with that Joe Biden, Joseph Robinette Biden, Jr. stepping in saying, hey, wait, don't forget about me. But no, Wilson was the worst. mean, it's one of those things that it's hard to believe we had that opportunity and lost it. We had the opportunity to not have

and income tax federally. We were there. It was a thing for a long time, as you point out, and we gave it up and we gave it up through a process that's incredibly difficult to push through, right? It was specifically set up to make it very difficult to pass something like a constitutional amendment. All these hurdles, Keith, we were right there. All we had to do is not do the most difficult thing in our system. somehow that was I swear that happened today. I don't think it would. I don't think

If we were still without an income tax, I don't think they would be able to push it through today, but they kind of slipped it by during that era in a storm of nonsense and unfortunately we're still paying the cost.

Keith Malinak (23:24.084)

Yeah, and we're gonna break down that history with Phil tomorrow. if you want to talk about bipartisanship, holy crap, both parties work to screw us. And of course, Wilson knew it was dirty because he signed it in private. There was no public fanfare, anything like that. And the one last thing I'll say on the origins of it, the guy who first introduced the bill, he said, this isn't gonna pass. This will never make it. But yeah, let's put it out there, son of a bitch. Anyway, so there we go. yeah, here we go.

Stu Burguiere (24:06.702)

You're speaking my language, especially today, Keith, you know, being a tax day, I was up till two o'clock in the morning last night looking for freaking forms I couldn't find. There's still one from, I was trying to, I cannot find the one from Blaze TV. I know they paid me. I remember getting the, I remember the money coming in. I cannot find the tax form anywhere. I'm emailing people at like two in the morning, like, please send me the tax form. I talked to the accountant who's doing them, you know.

I'm pulling into the parking lot today. have tapings going on today before this. I'm late for the tapings because I'm on the phone with the accountant. He's like, well, you have to pay this much and you have to pay that much and you have to do this and you have to do that. And I'm like, crap. Then I have to like figure out, I have to like transfer money from one account to the other. I have to like write a check and hope it doesn't clear before I move the money into the right account. It's a catastrophe every year. How is this our system?

How is it possible, Keith, that like, don't know when they send me the money that they just don't know how much I have to pay? How is it that we have this stupid process where we have to go back and trace back expenses and figure all this stuff out? Like, why can't we have a simple system? Hopefully you and Phil cover that tomorrow.

Keith Malinak (25:21.644)

Yeah, yeah. That's the thing. They know how much we owe. Then just send me a freaking bill. Don't make me go through this torturous process where the dining room table is unusable for two months with everything spread out. You want to talk about a cost. It's the time. It's the man hours that we spend doing this stuff. And to your point, though, I paid my taxes. Of course, we did the withholding.

the But if you knew that going in, then why the hell didn't you just cut to the chase and save us all a bunch of time, a-holes? Yeah. So anyway, did you? know, Stephen Miller, dark horse candidate for attorney general. That's foreshadowing because I want to talk about your website.

He said the other day that, and I never thought about this, I bet he's right, that if you take out all the fraud, all the Somali nonsense, the NGOs, all of the waste and fraud and all of the stuff that Doge tried to eliminate from the federal budget, that what they take in would actually be enough.

there would be enough tax dollars coming in that you wouldn't have to print more dollars. You wouldn't have to go into debt. mean, hell, we had a budget surplus for two years in the late 90s with a Republican Congress and a Democrat president. So we could get there if we cared. And hopefully this fraud commission that JD Vance is heading up, hope that that actually helps. But we'll see what you saw what they did to doge. So I don't have my hopes too high.

Stu Burguiere (27:08.05)

Yeah, I'm totally blackpilled on that type of stuff at this point. I've completely given up. Like one of the things, you know, we will talk about the prediction market stuff, though. But, you know, I was able to make some money on just my cynicism, honestly, because, know, when Doge happened, I really did have high hopes for that, mainly because I had gone through a couple of different Elon Musk biographies. had, you know, read there's one I can't remember.

It's actually on Spotify. If you if you have the Spotify premium, they have the audiobook thing and they have. It's one of the books where he had given access to like a biographer to follow him around. So over multiple years, so real access into him and the way he thinks and the things that he does. And I think like you read it and you get a mixed picture of Elon. I think I think a pretty fair picture of him at times. I don't think he was the greatest guy to work for, right? Like I think it was very difficult to work for and at times, you know, he did stuff that.

didn't always work out and he was difficult to people at times. But when you look at the ways that he cut, my favorite story, Keith is in one of these, he is battling with people who are shorting Tesla stock and they're shorting it like crazy. saying, you know, he's going to fail. He's never going to get to these numbers and projections he's going to make for, I remember which model it was, but it was the new model that he was working on. And they were just

completely sure he was going to fail. So they are shorting and shorting and shorting. And he's like, these people are shorting the stock. They don't know what they're talking about. I'm to hit these goals. And he had made these insanely aggressive goals. This is a thing that Elon does over and over and over again through this story, which he says these massively impossible things to achieve. Uh, and he throws them out there and kind of tries to will them into existence. Very similar, Keith, if you read this book, you will think of Glenn Beck over and over and over and over again.

is very similar to the way Glenn handles things. we're just gonna be, we're gonna be in Washington DC on the mall with 500,000 people in two months. You're like, wait, what, we're gonna do what? And then we're somehow there, right? Elon operates that very much that same way. So he makes these ridiculous projections for these cars. And someone, a very smart investor, looks at how the way his factory works. And they realize that with the lines that he has,

Stu Burguiere (29:28.849)

He even at full capacity at 24 hours, he can't hit these goals, right? So everyone they start saying, well, we know he's going to miss these goals. Let's short the stock. So they start shorting the stock like crazy. He's furious with these people because he thinks they're just betting against him. So he wants to build a new line, but he can't get the permits in California to do it. Typical story of doing business under, you know, I don't know if it was Gavin Newsom at the time. I guess it probably was, but it was right around that time.

So he dives into the legal, you know, hornet's nest of California and uncovers this one little clause. And the clause basically says it's set up for the gas stations and people who are working on cars, right? Like repair shops. And they wanted to have a carve out for a place like that that's doing like a sale on tires, right?

Well, normally we want to have more people in. So if you want to have a sale on tires or something, you're doing or running some big special, you can set up a tent in your parking lot and have people come in and they can add, you can add additional capacity that way if you're doing some big special. So he does this and decides to blow that up to the most ridiculous extent possible. And it adds an entire production line outside under a giant tent.

a tent that like massive tent for an entire way to build cars all occurring outdoors under this tent. He does this, he's able to add an additional line to make these cars hits all the goals and the people who have shorted the stock get completely wiped out. I mean, this is the type of thinker this guy was and is. It's an incredible story. And I thought if you can apply that thinking to the government, I actually have some hope. However,

Yes. also knew what the government was and decided to go in and invest against Doge hitting these major goals. I at one point they were talking about cutting a trillion dollars budget. had this conversation with Glenn in the air. like, Glenn, will. What do you want me to do? Give me some ridiculous stunt task. What do you want me to eat on the air? I'll do any of it. If we cut a trillion dollars out of this budget, I will do anything.

Stu Burguiere (31:45.548)

I knew it wasn't going to happen, unfortunately, because I wanted it to happen. But that's one of things I like about prediction markets. You can maybe get paid for your pain a little bit. And so I was able to be successful. There's actually one guy who's a budget analyst who looked at this and said, there's no way they're going to make these cuts. That is entire life savings. When I say bet, I mean invest invested in his entire life savings to that Doge was not going to hit those goals and why that making something like two or $300,000 in profit. Unfortunately, I don't have that.

good of a story for you, but was able to at least do pretty well.

Keith Malinak (32:17.43)

Yeah, well, congratulations, because while that is a great story, it's also depressing and blackpilled, just like you said, because if Elon Musk can't fix this, it's unfixable. I think that's where we're at on that story with spending money in this country. One thing I wanted to mention on the taxes real quick, because I hate to put you on the spot here, but the jock tax, are you familiar with that?

Stu Burguiere (32:46.141)

yeah, I've had to pay it, yeah.

Keith Malinak (32:48.076)

Okay, so that was my question. Is it just when you work in these other cities, you have to pay the state income tax? Or is this an addition? Athletes, they're not getting an extra tax, are they? That's just the way they refer to working one day here, one day there. Is that right?

Stu Burguiere (33:05.742)

Yeah, typically that's what it is. They were able to avoid that. If you think about if you're a player, you're on the Miami Marlins and you're going to play the Dodgers, you're living, you probably go to the Miami Marlins, the weather's nice, there's some good restaurants, service is terrible, but Miami's a good city, a fun city to go to, but part of it is there's no state income tax. When you play a three game series against the Dodgers though,

you have to pay California tax for three days. We've had to deal with this before Keith, like, you know, when we were doing a lot of the touring with Glenn, where we would do these events in, you know, we'd be in Iowa one day, we'd be in, you know, Illinois the next day, whatever state you're in, we'd get these tax bills at the end of the year for like a day of taxes and you have to file. At one point, I think I had to file in like 10 different states. Luckily, we're not doing as much travel like that anymore. But that it's really, really annoying mostly for the I mean,

The money sucks, but it's also the paperwork. It's just trying to figure out what the heck you're supposed to pay is a disaster.

Keith Malinak (34:04.118)

Yeah, yeah. I only went to that one time, one year. I got these tax forms, South Carolina and where was the other place? Utah might have been one other. And I thought, what the hell? And by the way, the zero shows without a dog bark, we're not going to be changing that at the end of the show today. Thank you, Tanner, for chiming in today. OK, real quick. You and I both love the NFL and

They've got this stupid ass Rooney rule and the state of Florida is saying you got to get rid of this thing. It's it's stupid. Do you want to briefly just explain what that is? Because the NFL is not responding to the state of Florida on that. But this is the most racist damn thing. And it's still here more than 20 years later. It just it just I thought, you know what? Stu is going to be on.

We can co-miserate together. can't wait for the comments about, why do you still watch the NFL? You know, okay, I got it. Because I need a distraction from our government. So anyway, do you want to explain what the Rooney rule is and are we ever going to get-

Stu Burguiere (35:12.84)

yeah, this is one of my favorite, my favorite topics because it's it's one of the most like blatantly racist institutional things out there that people don't even acknowledge. The idea, of course, the good intentions flowed back in the day when the the concept was basically, hey, you know, we're not hiring enough black coaches. That was the start of this. Now, just in and of itself.

You can see that there's a problem there. I think if you're if you're a right-thinking American and not because Absolutely black coaches should be hired when they're qualified just like white coaches should be hired when they're qualified. This should be completely about merit, right and And you can see say I think quite fairly that there have been times in our history where merit was not the decision-making The lead of the decision-making process, which is a massive problem. It should have been

And in sports in particular, we obviously had eras where there were no black players. You had eras where, you know, there were people who were saying, well, you know, black people can't play quarterback. They're not smart enough to do that. Obviously, this is all idiocy. But the idea here was to say, OK, well, if you're going to hire a new coach, you must you are required to pick someone who is a minority to interview. You were forced to do that. You if you

Like you have a coach that you absolutely know, maybe one of the best coaches of all time. know, the hottest coach in the market, if they're white, doesn't matter. You have to basically waste some black guys time and fly them in and act as if you might hire them.

Keith Malinak (36:53.976)

the definition of a token candidate.

Stu Burguiere (36:57.142)

Yes, 100 % exactly right. You are the token candidate. Now some coaches have really kind of embraced it and just be like, look, I'll just come in and I'll do my thing. I'll take this off your plate. I mean, that's actually happened a few times where coaches kind of knew they had no chance of actually being hired, but they went in there anyway and kind of helped the organization check the box. Stupid, stupid stuff. The idea is eventually, well, maybe they'll meet someone and that they rewind up liking and a new black coach

will be hired. One thing that's a problem here at the very core of this is we are acting as if black coaches should be represented at the percentage that they are represented in the NFL. Now, as far as players, there is, you know, it's about 60 percent, if I think the number, if I remember right, of players in the NFL are African-American. So the idea is, well, 60 percent of the coaches should be African-American. But as you may note,

If you have eyeballs, the skill set that, you know, that gets Andy Reed to be a very good coach is not necessarily the same skill set that gets you into the NFL as a player. Right. Like you can be a big fat guy and be a great coach. That's not what necessarily is going to happen to be a player. You know, right now, I think we went through a period and this is changing significantly now that Whitey has become a bit more athletic over the years for whatever reason, but for a long time.

Highly athletic positions there would be Long stretches where there would be no white players at all Putting the position running back is a great example of this where we went something like 25 or 30 years without a thousand yard rusher that was white now We live in a country where 70 plus percent of the people are white That discrimination is that racism is that why that happened?

Keith Malinak (38:50.551)

Right.

Stu Burguiere (38:56.366)

I would argue no, would say that merit came into account and the African American running backs outperformed the white running backs. And if there were white running backs that could have outperformed black running backs, they would have got the jobs, right? That is, you want the purest merit situation possible. This, and it's been expanded to absurd levels with the coaches where now if you don't...

If you don't hire, if you don't bring in a black coach to be interviewed, you can be penalized. You can lose draft picks and things like that. That's happened to teams, but it's more than that. Now, Keith, they've expanded it. We talked about this at the time. You and I going back on text messages, but like now it's a situation where if you have a coach or an executive who is black and they get hired by another franchise, right?

They get hired away to a higher position. So if you have an assistant general manager that gets hired at another team as a general manager and they are happened to have a skin color that falls into this category, your team will be rewarded with mystical created draft picks like third round draft picks just given to you because you had a black guy working for you that got hired by another team. I mean, it's absurd. I don't think it's legal. I really don't. I think Florida has this right.

Keith Malinak (40:15.68)

Yes, yeah, I just thought of something. The Atlanta Falcons just fired their head coach after this season. He was a black man. Do we lose draft picks?

Stu Burguiere (40:24.302)

Maybe. That's probably the next step, honestly. I don't think it's necessarily helped. I mean, think when you look at this honestly, what we should see in a normal society is because you don't need to be a great player to be a great coach. It is a different skill set. is a different, and it's a skill set that I would argue is pretty well spread around the racist.

Right? think white people are just as good as black people. So if you live in a country where 10 % of the country is black, most likely you'd think about 10 % of the coaches would be black, which is about where we're at. I don't know the exact number. It fluctuates, but that's about three between, you know, two and four per year is about where we bounce around to. Sometimes it gets a little higher. Sometimes it gets a little lower. But generally speaking, it should, it's totally rational and normal and not a problem at all.

that the percentage of the population that's black will be the percentage of the coaching population that is black. But for whatever reason, we've decided to say, well, no, it should be this exact percentage of the players. Well, the fact that that is out of whack in this bizarre left-wing rationale should mean that it's a problem, quote unquote, that 60 % of the players are, these are the highest profile positions. These are the things that every kid wants. Not a lot of kids grow up wanting to be coaches.

A lot of kids want to grow up to be players. They grow up, they do everything they can. And the fact that African-Americans have six times the representation in the NFL that they do in the normal population in left-wing theology should be a racial problem. It should be racism that causes it. I don't argue that, but that's what they should argue. It's insanity. And we all know that, I guess, by now.

Keith Malinak (42:11.54)

Absolutely, we do. Okay, so I'm really excited for you, with this predictable show.com. That is gonna debut coming up. What is it? Next week? wanted to, Monday?

Stu Burguiere (42:26.222)

A week from today, actually. I think it's going to be Wednesday the 22nd. Today's the 15th. Wednesday the 22nd, predictable show.com. You kind of see one of our live streams that we've done. We've done a few little live streams over there. We've posted some articles. It's a sub stack basically. know, everything, one of the things that we really tried to do as we put this together was, you know, we want people to be able to access this information depending on what they're doing. Prediction markets do a couple of things really, really well, Keith. And I know you've looked at these things before.

One of the problems that we have, if you think about elections as a number one topic, it's probably the number one thing I'm going to focus on as we get closer. Election coverage sucks in America. I think we all are very, very aware of that. And this stems from a few different things. You have basically three groups telling you about the elections. One is the mainstream media. We all know that they have an agenda and they want one side to win. They will basically try to inform us

to whatever they think the right outcome is. And they will push on that. And we know all about that. We've covered it over the years many, many times on your show, on my show, on Glenn's show, over and over. Secondarily, you have the campaigns. The campaigns obviously have a very obvious rooting interest here, and they are not going to tell you the truth either. So the mainstream media and the campaigns. The last thing we have is, say, partisan media on the conservative side for us.

a really, really important part of this picture, right? you know, having shows that are conservative in nature have helped, going back to Rush Limbaugh, push back against the narratives I was just talking about from the mainstream media, from the campaigns, trying to give you a different perspective. Over time, I think, because of the way things have developed, we get a lot of these shows and media sources on our side telling us a lot of the things that we want to hear.

I understand why that happens. I don't think there's necessarily bad intent behind that. A lot of times, there's a lot of times I think people are saying like, hey, like we can win these things and you should be optimistic. And that there's value to that at some level, but there's also value to just know what the heck is gonna happen. prediction markets are really good at cutting through punditry, right? Because people are putting their money where their mouth is. People will lie to pollsters. People will lie when they go on TV and they're doing a round table.

Stu Burguiere (44:53.624)

People don't lie when they've got their money. They will put their money where their mouth is. What do they really believe that are happening? We've seen over and over again, studies have shown that, know, prediction markets do a better job than polling, better job than really anything else. It's the best tool that we have to predict these things and their outcomes. And, you know, they're not perfect. And luckily they're not perfect because the secondary use...

of these and where I've been able to do well over the years and I hope to bring to the audience of predictable with Stu, which is the name of the show predictable show.com is the the substack. But like, we look for inefficiencies, we look for things where hey, this isn't right, this market, I think is priced incorrectly. And we try to take advantage of that and invest our money in and make and make some money off of that. I've been able to do this going back, Keith, I think the you know, going back to 2000.

I think maybe 14 was the first time I jumped into these things for elections. I've been able to do really, really well in all of them. Even elections that like, you the Trump election in 2016, I didn't really think Trump was going to win that election. I just still thought the markets were priced incorrectly. Like I thought he had a better chance than what the markets were saying. And of course he wound up winning that election. And I did very, very well on that one. So we did, you know, that's part of thinking about his value, right? Like I, I was very, I, and I talked about this on the air openly.

I did not think he was going to win that election in 2016. But I saw him as maybe a 40 % chance of winning. The markets were saying some of them, you 15%. I remember buying shares of Donald Trump to win that election at 9%, 9 % on election night. And of course he wound up winning and that went very, very well. 2020 came. A lot of people looked at 2016 and said, well, gosh, I think Donald Trump will win. what he did last time. And there was a good argument to be made there.

But the more and more I looked at it, you know, was kind of, was not happy with that outcome, but I thought Biden was going to win. We wound up calling the electoral count exactly correct. And again, did very, very well. I look at this and try to separate myself out of what I want to happen, right? I want to know the truth. if you could kind of use these things to boil down that truth and get a little bit farther and maybe pay for a vacation or two, you know, like that's a possibility too. We've been able to do that over the years.

Stu Burguiere (47:10.104)

So it's a nice way of, it's also really fun, frankly. You know, we talk about this stuff offline a lot, Keith, when it comes to sports and different things. It's a fun way to kind of participate, try to understand, try to analyze and test yourself a little bit. it's something, it's kind of a brand new world for a lot of people and they're more accessible than ever across the country. if you want to be involved in prediction markets, maybe try to make some money.

great place to come. If just want to know more about the elections and what's going to happen, it's a great place to come as well. And we have all of that at Predictable Show.

Keith Malinak (47:43.438)

Let me say you have to listen to Stu on this stuff, whether it's sports, but what was the word investing or yeah, and so or politics. And I'm going to give you a couple examples here. But first, before I forget, just a few weeks ago, I got like a free bet when I when I did the Cauchy thing or whatever. I don't know. I filled out my NCAA bracket and, you know, I signed up 20 bucks, whatever. And by the way, if the Atlanta Hawks somehow win their first NBA title.

yours truly is going clean house. But I put a little bit of money on Trump saying he had one week to tell a reporter, who are you or who are you with? And so that would have paid off. That would have earned like 300 bucks on this little bet that I did. And he didn't do it. He didn't do it. But the next week, he had one press conference. did it like three times. And I was so pissed. So I live and die with my silly bets, but investments, sorry.

Stu Burguiere (48:30.583)

Yeah.

Keith Malinak (48:42.764)

But let me just say that when, I think it was Kamala Harris, I forget which cycle this was, was about to pick a vice presidential running mate. And I texted you and I was like, I'm putting money on Sherrod Brown. And so I put a stupid investment. And I texted that to Stu. And I had already hit submit on this, because I wanted your thoughts. And you're like, what are you basing that on? And I was like,

and yes

Stu Burguiere (49:36.716)

love your stories about your parlays. They're very entertaining. They get me, I almost feel as invested as you are in it when you tell me about them.

Keith Malinak (49:43.406)

So really, they're like $1 things. Just $1, know, whatever, man. I'll pick 10 underdogs to win. I'm the dumbest investor that you will ever meet. I have so many stories of bad investments in slot machines in Las Vegas at the airport when I nearly missed the flight. That's a long story.

Stu Burguiere (50:03.884)

Those are the worst slot machines in America, the ones at the airport. They know, they know you're about to get on a plane. They're going to take your money. That's it.

Keith Malinak (50:11.566)

I was up $200 too.

Stu Burguiere (50:13.676)

my God, I've never heard of anybody being up at those things. So congratulations. That's a good story. I didn't finish up.

Keith Malinak (50:18.254)

$200. Yeah, it's because I'm a dumb ass. But this particular 16 parlay that I did, I was following it throughout the day. And oh, which is not as legendary as my 13 team parlay where I got the first 11 right and nearly turned a $5 bet into $32,000. But I missed the last two and ended up getting $32. Thank you. Okay, but this one, this one was the one it wasn't one of my $1 parlay's.

I put $20, $20 down on a 16 parlay and I got the first five right and I was sitting pretty, man. And I texted Stu and it came down to an overtime game between the Packers and the Cowboys. And it was over the air. And that's important because there's a delay on you're watching streaming. And I'm like texting Stu. I'm like, dude, please be there, please be there. Hey, hey, hey, what do I do? What do I do, man? I can cash out now. Anyway, and the advice was something like,

hedge your bet, take everything you have, which wasn't that much on this site. It was, I don't know, 10, 15 bucks still in my till. And I didn't have time to sit here and reload it. And so I put all of that on, I think the Packers. And you said that way if this one gets blown or whatever, I forget. But anyway, I had yes. And I both of them, which is my $20 investment into 4,000 here and 2,000 here.

Stu Burguiere (51:34.571)

It was hedging,

Keith Malinak (51:44.396)

Yeah.

Stu Burguiere (52:00.974)

You will be surprised how many people send me very similar text messages. I'm known among my friend group as being the guy who can figure out the hedges. I because I'm almost just a nerd and I'm fascinated by by that and trying to figure out exactly the right way to play those. You it's funny because you mentioned that the we joke about the investing versus the word bet. like people, this is a controversy. And I'm sure you've seen some of this.

when it comes to these prediction markets, like people are like, we're turning the entire world into a casino. This is like this, this is the new, like, I think I'm smart and no one else has thought of this comment, know, AOC made it, like everyone thinks they're really intelligent when they say this. The bottom line is you can gamble on anything, right? Like if you want to go into the stock market and pick up meme stocks and penny stocks, you can find a way to gamble

on the stock market. You can also do that on prediction markets. Like, yes, they have stuff on game outcomes and stuff, which is much more closely associated with sports betting. But also like, you know, there's a lot of good opportunities to do it a different way in a smart way. Like a lot of the stuff that I do is not, I'm not trying to, you know, I'm not trying to pull a Keith Malinak where I'm turning 20 bucks into 6,000. Like what I'm trying to do a lot of times is turn a hundred bucks into $118 in two days.

Now that doesn't seem nearly as exciting and it isn't as exciting. It is an investment idea where you can go through and say, wait a minute, this thing is a 95 % chance, but I can buy it for 75%, right? And in the way those things, prediction markets work, you buy something at 75 cents when it resolves, if you're correct, you get a dollar for that 75 cent investment. So you're making 25 cents on a 75 cent investment. You can scale that to as you will, but that's a 33 % profit over a very short period of time.

If you can continue to do that and ensure those things, it's great. I have a lot of stuff that like it gets me 9 % over three months. But that's not I'm sorry. That's boring sports gambling, right? Like that's not the excitement of sports gambling. Yeah, but it's way better than the stock market. It's way better than what you're getting in your checking account where they're paying you like 0.3 % or whatever. Like there are ways to be able to make to make money off of these markets. If you're

Keith Malinak (54:10.702)

the stock market.

Stu Burguiere (54:25.07)

kind of calm and you take these things with a methodical approach. Doesn't always work and then you're not always right, but you can win much more often than you lose. You mentioned sort of the mention markets, which is a category of these prediction markets. Will X person say X thing during a week? They're really, really fun. We're gonna start doing live streams of these where you have a situation where you'll preview.

talk about these, will Trump say these certain words? And then you watch the speech together. And it's just really fun. It feels like an excitement, the excitement of sports gambling. There are edges you can find. I talked to a trader who's made hundreds of thousands of dollars. His name's, he's known as PMT is kind of online name. But he's made hundreds of thousands of dollars doing this by analyzing these speeches, looking back at previous speeches, the words that Trump is using more frequently. Trump

You know, he says a lot of things, but he gets in like rhythms where he'll say the same sort of phrase over and over again. One of the ones I cleaned up on Keith over the last six months or so.

Keith Malinak (55:33.4)

swing states last six months, okay.

Stu Burguiere (55:36.43)

Six months is eight war. Trump, as we went into a place where there's conflict, right? We're talking about, you know, attacks on Iran. We're talking about, you know, dealing with Israel, talking about dealing with Ukraine, all these situations. Trump has emphasized over and over again that, wait a minute, you guys think I'm starting all these wars? Well, I've ended eight wars. And he's used eight almost every single time. He's used nine a couple of times as well.

But the fact that he says that a lot, uses that as a defense mechanism for people who are accusing him of these things. So when he gets asked these questions, oftentimes he falls back to saying like, well, actually I'm the greatest peace president of all time. I've ended eight wars. And so if you kind of understand Trump, you've listened to a million of his speeches, you know his patterns. You can kind of see these and it's more volatile than looking at an election investment or looking at something that's maybe longer term on how much money the government's going to spend.

It's kind of a different category. It's closer to the excitement of watching a game and betting on the outcome. But there are edges to find. And if you can find them, there is real money to be made. Plus, it's also just really interesting and fun.

Keith Malinak (56:45.038)

Yeah, yeah. That's a way to maybe get your, well, I was about to say your kids into politics. I mean, it was a bad example. Your family into politics because then they'll be literally invested. I just want to point out that Stu mentioned two traits that you need to have if you're gonna be a good investor. You need to be calm. I don't check that box. Methodical, I don't check that box. So you can see why I'm always running to Stu for advice. I have some questions.

Specifically about the website there predictable show comm that's on the screen there But first I want to ask you this and this is a serious question. It sounds like I'm joking but You've heard of the chimpanzee war happening in the Congo. You've been following that

Stu Burguiere (57:29.27)

I've heard bits and pieces. I wouldn't say I'm super well versed, but I've seen the headlines.

Keith Malinak (57:33.132)

Okay, so I was looking to see if they had names. And so for now, we're just going to call them Team A and Team B, set that aside. But the most recent chimpanzee war that Grok was aware of happened in Uganda. It was a four-year war between the Western subgroup and the Central subgroup. But if we can get a name associated with these two, I don't know what you call them, tribes, I have no idea, these two factions happening in the Congo,

Will you maybe do a show on that? Because surely, surely somewhere out there you can put money on one of these groups of chimpanzees that are fighting right now. I that's what I want to do.

Stu Burguiere (58:18.178)

would love a breakdown of this conflict and try to understand it. This is one of those things I say this often of like when I get, I see something kind of quirky and I'm interested in it. I would watch a 10 part Netflix documentary on the chimpanzee wars. That sounds fascinating.

Keith Malinak (58:34.92)

I I mentioned the Uganda thing from 2015 to 2018. If this is going to go on for four years, let's get some cameras there. Let's put it on a live stream and let's start gambling on which group's going to win. This is what I want. So I just keep an eye out on the chimpanzee war, the Congo, the great chimpanzee war, the Congo happening right now. Dogs are actually involved in this, I hear.

Stu Burguiere (59:00.012)

This is a crowd. am I not? How am I not more up on the story? This sounds incredible. I need to do research. need to understand what which groups are are favored. Yeah, we have a we have a thing that we're working on for unpredictable with Stu the show, which is the degenerate meter is basically how degenerate is this? Are we really investing or are we just like going with vibes and trying to this one? It seems like it's pretty deep on the degenerate.

Keith Malinak (59:09.016)

need to name them.

Stu Burguiere (59:30.194)

but i still am interested

Keith Malinak (59:32.034)

Well, hold on one second. You just reminded me of something because I think the dirtiest way I've ever made money was, that's for air, no, is the, I was producing Pat Show in Houston, know, 25 years ago. And I will just say this. We had a guest on who knew a producer who worked at Fox. And remember they used to do the celebrity boxing. They may or may not have pre-taped those.

Stu Burguiere (59:56.711)

yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Keith Malinak (01:00:01.742)

That's all I'll say.

Stu Burguiere (01:00:02.942)

I don't know how much of this you want to admit, I guess it's better than whatever you experimented on in college. the dirtiest way I've made money quite clearly is investing on Joe Biden to win the election. That sucked. That was the most hollow victory of all time. But it's fascinating because there are real issues with this. you know, look, it's a new world prediction markets like we're all still kind of adjusting to

life with these things really being widespread. They're always everyone gets fascinated by the stories of the guy who, oh, he had inside information and blah, blah, blah. But like there are some of these markets that I've seen, like where there will be a prediction market on what a guest will say on, you know, Seth Meyers show and you know, Seth Meyers show is pre taped. There are people in the audience there. And you know, it's funny because

You think you have the inside information. Sometimes, of course, they edit, right? You don't know what actually makes it to air. I was talking to one of these guys who's a mentioned market trader, and he was saying that he had a position. He was watching a press conference, and it was about like, what will this person say in the press conference on, you know, maybe it an interview on Fox News. And then he had watched a live stream of it. So everyone knew what was said, right?

But the rules stated what was going to air on Fox News. So they he wound up seeing this particular phrase and it had gone to like 99 percent because everyone thought it had gone up. And then when they aired the interview, they edited that out and he was able to clean up because he was buying chairs at like one cent on. No, everyone thought he was an idiot. And he wound up getting like 100 times his money and just because he paid really close attention and.

did research and really focused on what was actually happening. It's not always that easy. There's a lot of great stories. There's a lot of bad ones for every good one there is. So you gotta be careful and go small, but it's a lot of fun. It's a fun world.

Keith Malinak (01:02:07.116)

And you reminded me, our guest said that they filmed separate endings for all three of those celebrity boxing matches. So I could have been burned as well now that you mentioned that. OK, so when the show starts a week from today, where do people what do they go to? Predictable show.com. Is that where it's going to air? Like, give us the skinny on on how to watch it. And is it just is it going to be like conversational stuff where you're giving advice?

on where to make these investments. You're not like an actual, I guess for lack of a better, you're not the casino. You're not collecting the money. You're saying, hey, here's the information. Go out and make good investments, right?

Stu Burguiere (01:02:48.578)

Yeah, so my company, if you think of it, it's basically a media company that covers prediction markets is the easiest way to think about it. ESPN covers sports, CNBC covers the stock market. We're basically a company that covers prediction markets. And the concept of how to filter the news through them. So we have an understanding of the world and hopefully an opportunity to make some money as well.

So we're going to start the show. It starts a week from today. I'm going to be in DC for it. It's you know, I've got a going attending a event about prediction markets up there. But so we're going to start we're going to launch it up there in DC. It will be everywhere that you we've got a bunch of different distribution things that are coming soon. But generally speaking, when we start, we're going to start at, you know, kind of a soft launch and you can watch it on YouTube. It's a little difficult. You know, these contracts work.

Keith in the media, it's never easy to do these things. the place where Stu Does America lived, youtube.com slash Stu Does America is where Predictable will live. a lot of people, it's a little confusing because it's just because of like rights and all that nonsense. But the Stu and Dave Do America, new show I'm doing on Blaze TV. Of course you could watch it if you're a Blaze TV subscriber, I would encourage you to do so. But also,

It will live on if you search YouTube for Stu and Dave do America, you can find that show. Stu does America. It's still called YouTube dot com slash do does America until we can make that full transition, which should happen hopefully in the next week. It would be kind of awkward if we didn't do it by then. But if you go there and subscribe, you'll get the show in that feed. If you go to Predictable Show dot com, you can put your email address in. We'll give you the all the updates that you need.

It's all free there, by the way, so you're to get all that information, all the articles there, you know, for free. And you can check that out at Predictable Show. Plus, you'll get the updates on where to go. Plus the podcast feed. The same thing, Keith, is like it was the Sudahs America podcast feed. If you go there and subscribe, I don't know if it's updated yet to say Predictable, but if you just kind of hang there when the new show comes out, you will get it right in your feed.

Stu Burguiere (01:04:58.638)

So I'd love for people to join us and just check it out. Even if you're just like interested in the elections, you don't want to have anything to do with these markets. Totally fine. It will still be interesting, I think, to you. It's not like a financial advice show. I'm not a financial advisor by any means, but it's a way to look at the news through these markets and understand what's going on in them.

Keith Malinak (01:05:16.224)

And even if you have no interest in again, again, investing, still, it's a good way to see, like you said, to get the temperature of the room in the country to see which way your fellow Americans are leaning. want to make sure I have this right. You did say go to youtube.com slash Stu does America. Correct. Did I get that right? Okay. And what time on Wednesday should they expect to see your premiere episode? No idea. That's a

Stu Burguiere (01:05:41.902)

Good question. I don't actually know the answer to it yet. mean, the way we're starting is like really like it's going to be, you know, it's going to feel, you know, pretty laid back. I want to make sure it's like conversational and fun. I don't want this to be, you know, a Bloomberg show, right? Like I don't want this is not I talk to these traders all the time, Keith, who are making all this money on prediction markets. And the way they look at it is like, oh, well, I can if I can find value here, I can go in there and I can

You know, I got my computer all set up so I can beat everybody by a tenth of a second to buy these shares. And that's not what we're doing. I'm not trying like trading strategy will be part of it. Learning about these markets will be part of it. But like really what I'm interested in is the actual outcomes. Very rarely do I buy and sell inside of a market like what I usually do is I think, OK, this is going to happen. That's the end game. I'm saying until the end, like I'm looking at those markets to try to understand.

where these things end up rather than trying to jump on and you buy here, you sell here, you buy back here, you sell over here. Like that's not my world, right? I'm not that guy. What I wanna do is an entertaining show that kind of give you the information about better understand the world and give you an opportunity to maybe make some cash as well as you're going through it. So hopefully we're gonna be able to provide that. And I think it's gonna be a fun little journey. I think we're taping that day like in the afternoon. So it'll come in.

probably either afternoon or evening. We might even do it live on YouTube. I'm not 100 % sure of those details.

Keith Malinak (01:07:12.706)

We'll do it live. we go. Do it live. Subscribe now. See, it's free. YouTube.com slash Stu Does America. I know you're a busy man. I'm grateful for the time you had today. I'm going to let you go and tackle the rest of your day. Hopefully we'll cross paths again soon over at the Blaze building. I'm going to, I have a few housekeeping announcements to make here for the audience. So I'm going to, I'm going to send you off, but Stu, thank you so much, man. I'm so grateful to know you.

I'm grateful for honestly, we're just honestly, I'm gonna get all choked up just meeting you in the summer of 2009 and where that has led today. So I appreciate you very much. And I'm gonna hang up now before I start crying. But anyway, I wish you the best with everything man, seriously.

Stu Burguiere (01:08:00.844)

I appreciate that Keith. I feel the same, you're the best. And I will say I did attempt to arrange that I could do this interview from your desk, but unfortunately, technically I couldn't pull it off. I thought it would be funny if you just looked up and started an interview and I was sitting at your actual desk. It didn't quite pan out, but next time maybe.

Keith Malinak (01:08:17.966)

That would have been.

Keith Malinak (01:08:22.718)

Enjoy the rest of your day. All the best with predictable show.com or no, it's it's what's the actual name? Yes, are you Stu?

Stu Burguiere (01:08:30.058)

Predictable with Stu, predictable show.com is the place to go.

Keith Malinak (01:08:33.655)

Gotta get that in my head. And go subscribe, youtube.com slash do does America. Enjoy the rest of your day, sir. And we'll catch up with you soon, man. Thank you. Uh-huh. man. I just love talking with him. And you will enjoy, if you missed originally, six years ago when he and I talked about his life story. That's going to be at atmshow.com in a few weeks. Look for the throwback, the yellow section over at atmshow.com. And I can't wait to, I'm going to learn. I'm going to learn so much from his new show.

Stu Burguiere (01:08:40.334)

Thanks man, appreciate it.

Keith Malinak (01:09:04.162)

PredictableShow.com, go and sign up for that sub stack. A few things I wanted to mention to y'all is tomorrow, you know, there'll be the history of the income tax. Phil Magnus will be here. And I have a lot of questions about the history of the income tax. And if you haven't paid your taxes by the time you see tomorrow's show, then you're late. So please get your taxes in the mail before midnight. Got to get them postmarked by midnight tonight. And then on Friday,

It's gonna, you remember how we used to do the drinks with Keith and I would sit out on the back patio. I'm not gonna be out on the back patio tomorrow. I don't anticipate, but it's gonna, I'm gonna open up an audio space. So if you wanna chat about whatever's on your mind, feel free. But we're just gonna just hang out, you and I. And I've got ton of stuff over here to pick your brain on. And I hope that you will participate. So it's gonna be kind of like a Friday live stream, like a drinks with Keith. And you know what I should have done?

which a good show host would have done, I should have had the upcoming Thursday deep dives. The wild card, honestly, you never know what you're gonna get. It should be the Wednesday box of chocolate show. But let me just give you a sneak peek here of the upcoming deep dives because I've got a lot of them scheduled out here. I'm going through my emails here to see what I do as I email myself pretty much everything.

And let's see here. Ah, crap. Well, I'm not finding it right now. But just so you're aware, let's see. So tomorrow's the history of the income tax. Maybe I can do it by memory. Let's try. A week from tomorrow, Scott Horton is going to be my guest. Because recently, was saying how I was talking to you all about the Iraq War. I want to re-litigate that and just go over the lies.

Because only in recent years did I fully understand the blatant, not the misunderstandings, the blatant lies that were told to us by the Bush administration. So if you want to, if you're one who knew that at the time and you want to just, I guess, relive the glory of your perception 20 years ago, then that show will be for you a week from tomorrow. Now.

Keith Malinak (01:11:32.928)

If maybe you don't know, tune in because we've got a lot to discuss about how our government and they do it with everything. Everything we are lied to about every. Everything I was about to qualify that now is just everything. That's the word you're looking for, Keith. So that'll be on. me just write my calendar down here. That's going to be on Thursday, the 23rd, right? OK. if you missed the vaccine show last week.

We'll be doing more with Dr. Jennifer Margolis. We did a vaccine show last Thursday, Deep Dive Childhood Vaccines. But she will be back because we have a lot of different topics to cover. Let me think here. Who are some other? I do have Dr. Jeremiah Johnston scheduled for another round. Remember, we talked about the Shroud of Turin, the Resurrection of Christ, and all of the evidence around that. He will be back here.

coming up in a few weeks. We have some more to discuss there. We're going to do a crypto show. I'm just doing all this from memory here. I'm looking at the days on the calendar. What's this one? What's this day? So we've got a lot of stuff to get to coming up with some great guests. And I hope that you will join us. So we do that every Thursday at 3 p.m. Eastern on X and on YouTube, where you can subscribe as well. YouTube.com slash and then you'll add sign. I don't know what it is.

Is it ATM show? Is it at the mic show? Hell, I don't know. That's a, I suck at this. But Spotify, Apple, that's the thing. Please share the show, like, subscribe, rate, review, do all the things or just pick one. I really don't care. Just anything you can do to help us spread the news that we do a show. Spotify, Apple, look for the, look for that little logo. Where is it? I'd never be a weatherman. The little ATM logo. And, and please share it with one person.

And you know what? Steve Friend. if you missed the FBI show a week ago, the Wednesday wild card there, I'm telling you, man, you never know what you're going to get, That man always has some incredible information. You want to talk about somebody who's been directly abused by our government and not just talking about April 15th. my goodness. He is such a wealth of knowledge. And I don't know how. I don't know how he does it. I don't know how he does it. I don't know how our buddy Steve Baker does it. I don't know how.

Keith Malinak (01:14:01.144)

I mean, these are honorable men of integrity that I know and I'm so grateful are in my life. And I hate that the stuff that that both of those guys in particular have gone through and continue to go through. But if you missed the FBI show a week ago, but he says go to Spotify and just press play. You don't even have to listen. Just let it play in the background. Go do dishes or something. You know, whatever. Just go walk the dog, whatever you need to do.

do you ever say that phrase? Do you say that word walk in your house? And then you're like, crap. That's like saying a cuss word because you know that like, you're about to be surrounded by dogs that are ready to go for a walk.

Keith Malinak (01:14:46.926)

Tilda's sleeping and Tanner is, I don't know, off making life living hell for a delivery guy or something. I don't know. Okay, so tomorrow, I hope that you will hang out with us again when we talk about the federal income tax and then again on Friday and we'll get the gang back in here. Look, you know what? Maybe I'll bring the cardboard Kelly out and she can hang out with us. Would you like that, y'all? And then the cardboard Rebecca. I mean, I know it's not the same. I know it's not the same.

I need a cardboard Brad. I need a cardboard Brad. I definitely need that. But it's just gonna be me. I'm gonna be lonely. And like I said, I'm gonna open up a live space most likely where you can jump in there and ask me your questions and talk about whatever's on your mind. We'll make that a part of tomorrow's get together as well. Let me just see here if there's anything else. Let me just, you know what? I've been babbling.

And I need to catch up here on the old, on the comments here. Hang on. it the premier chat? wait, what, wait, what's this now? Hold on. And also get the premier chat on. We miss it when there's no chat. you're going to have to help me understand that born genius. I have no idea what would like the premier chat. Hmm. What did I have? I messed up something here. let me just look here, scrolling through. Yeah. Right. look, there's, there's born genius again.

But let me just look here. Yeah, watch. Watch the Friends show. Yeah, not only the one from a week ago. And again, everything's at ATM show.com. It's color coordinated yellow for the throwbacks. You got the orange for the wild card. You got the blue for the deep dive. And then you've got the green for the Friday live stream. But Steve friends show his actual show American radicals.

that podcast you need to definitely check out. There's there's atmshow.com. Wes, man, thank you so much. And he does such an incredible job. I love this. These little buttons and whatnot. If you can go right to where you want to consume the show. Wes is awesome. And I appreciate that. And Gabby is of course, as well with what she does over Instagram. Go to at the Mike show on Instagram. there's Brad. There's Rebecca. There's Kelly. And then there's Wes. And then there's Gabby.

Keith Malinak (01:17:09.62)

And so I'm grateful. And we got great people, man. Just great people associated with what we do here for At the Mic. So I am going to bid you a good rest of your day. I'm so grateful for you. And I don't know, second, I asked a question and then I need to wait for the answer here. Let's do another one with that. let's see. the premiere. OK, I'm sorry. That's OK. That's a Stu and Dave thing. All right. Just making sure. All right. I know what you mean. I know what you mean. The live chat is available when the show is premiering.

It's not just comments, it's a live active chat, kind of like what y'all are doing. And so we need to let me figure out who to talk to over at the Blaze and see if I can make that happen. I can make no promises, but I will at least inquire for you, Bourne Genius and all of the fans of Stu and Dave, who nightly do America. There you go. you know what, Dave Landau is actually also going to be in the throwback.

conversations. We release them every Tuesday. His, I think, was maybe 100 or so episodes out. But that was a fascinating conversation as well. are two. Dave Landau is a life well lived. He's gotten the most out of his life for sure. I'm just sitting here. I'm just thinking of some of the stories. I'm going to tell you know what? I'm not going to make you wait forever for the Dave Landau story.

One of his stories was when he was a kid, I think he was growing up in Detroit. And if you're a hockey fan, Sergey Fedorov, was an incredible hockey player for the Detroit Red Wings. And I think he was in high school, Dave, because him and his buddies pulled up to the gas station and they were like, you know, hitting each other like, holy crap, Sergey Fedorov right there. And so they went over to him and apparently he was gracious. If I remember the way he told the story and Sergey Fedorov.

He had his math homework or something like that. He had nothing for Fedorov to sign and so he signed it and then Fedorov's girlfriend said would you like my autograph too? And Davis like, no, who are you? Some blonde chick, right? He's like, okay, whatever. Anyway, turned out that would be the tennis superstar Anna Kornikova. And he didn't get, that would have been awesome. Both of those signatures on math homework.

Keith Malinak (01:19:34.072)

You he could clean up at an auction? But Opportunity Lost by Dave Landau. That's one of the many stories that are just so hilarious that he tells in his life story. That'll be on the At The Mic Show throwback one day in the not too distant future. So be looking for that. look at that. Look at that, Jeffy Apologize. Look at that, Gabby. That was the first ATM show she listened to. Yeah. And he talks about crashing his dad's car and.

what was in the trunk when the police, I'm telling you, man, I love Dave Landau. And I'm so happy that he and Stu are teamed up for Stu and Dave do America over at the Blaze. OK, kids, I will see you in about 23 hours or so. I appreciate you hanging out with both Stu and myself. Don't forget his his new venture starts a week from today. Go to PredictableShow.com, sign up, and I'm looking forward to to learning some things.

because I'm a bad, bad investor, bad investor. Did I tell you? I know we talked about my bad investment, my literal bad investment in a company that just went bankrupt. And apparently, like I wasn't paying attention. I guess the rest of the investors were. So that worked out great. We talked about this, right? Brad and I were just having a casual conversation about the history of radio companies and all the changes we've seen in our careers.

And, wow, look at that. Cumulus radio stock is really dirt cheap. I'll put a few hundred into that.

Yeah, that's good. I think I got 19 cents back total. I'm not kidding. I think it was 19 cent. It was $19, but hell, it wasn't that much. It was $1.90. I don't know, one and a nine or, you know what, I'm going to go now. Appreciate you all very much. Have a great evening. Enjoy the rest of your day. We'll see you back here on At the Mic Show tomorrow at 3 p.m. Eastern, live on X and YouTube and then.

Keith Malinak (01:21:41.24)

posting a short time later, thanks to Wes over at etmshow.com. Until then, be well.