April 22, 2026

Civil War Era Fax Machine, Wifi Invented By Movie Star, and Strange History Facts | Wednesday Wild Card | 4/22/26

Civil War Era Fax Machine, Wifi Invented By Movie Star, and Strange History Facts | Wednesday Wild Card | 4/22/26
Civil War Era Fax Machine, Wifi Invented By Movie Star, and Strange History Facts | Wednesday Wild Card | 4/22/26
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The fax machine existed during the Civil War. One man survived both atomic bombs. A lost letter changed the course of war. In this episode of At The Mic: Wednesday Wild Card, Keith Malinak explores strange but true history facts, forgotten inventions, wartime survival stories, and unbelievable historical moments that sound fake but are completely real.

This episode moves through ancient Rome corruption, Viking exploration, Civil War history, Annie Oakley, Hedy Lamarr, the USS Indianapolis, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Post-it Notes, and other hidden history stories that reveal how unpredictable the past really was. Some of these stories were overlooked. Others were buried under bigger headlines. All of them show that real history is often weirder, darker, and more revealing than fiction.

If you enjoy strange history, forgotten inventions, American history, World War II stories, hidden facts, and true stories from the past, this episode is packed with the kind of details that stick with you long after it ends.

Wes Castelhano (00:26.834)

I close my eyes and I slip away you

I see I'm I

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you

The people have come from their faces fade as the years go by The eyes still open as I walk alone As clear as the sun in the sky you

The fallen feeling, the fallen feeling I hear them all, baby, the fallen feeling And I've been dreaming, the fallen feeling

I see that Mary and I walk in the world you

you

Wes Castelhano (03:11.214)

I'll hide in my music, forget the day, and dream of a girl I used to know. I'll close my eyes and just let go.

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you

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My baby does the hanky panky. Yeah, baby does the hanky panky. My baby does the hanky panky. My baby does the hanky panky. My baby does the hanky panky. My does the hanky panky. My baby does the hanky panky.

My baby does a haiky haiky My baby does a haiky haiky My baby does a haiky haiky

you

Wes Castelhano (05:37.07)

I saw her walking on down the line, yeah You know I saw her for the very first time A pretty little girl standing all alone Baby, could I take you home? I can't stop, I can't stop

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I saw her walking on down the line, yeah. He knew I saw her for the very first time. A pretty little girl standing all alone. Hey, baby, can I take you home? I never saw her, never, never saw

My baby does the Hakey Panky. My baby does the Hakey Panky. My baby does the Hakey Panky. My baby does the Hakey Panky. My baby does the Hakey Panky.

Wes Castelhano (07:48.014)

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Easy when you

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That's what

You move, ooh, that's why. I on watching this, I keep on watching this.

Wes Castelhano (08:57.678)

Don't you, stop and hold it You need to check what's good or bad It's no sense

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you

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She is the rhythm Take you where you really need to be

Wes Castelhano (11:37.878)

Get to me when it seems such a sorry waste of time. Holding back on those who want the best for me. Well, I guess I can't be blamed for trying. The truth is the fool that brings me down.

been waiting for that super Hey you, well I'm sorry but it's time to let you know Hey you, well it sounds a bit like preaching A bend over backwards to let you know

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I'm a little sad, cause I don't have much to show Standing back before the end just gets me where it seems the better way to go I'm dreaming of everybody

Hey Hey you, well I'm sorry but it's time to let you know Hey you, well it's to be like the creature I found all the bad girls to let you know

you

Wes Castelhano (14:01.47)

Hey, well I'm sorry but it's time to let you know Hey, well it sounds a bit like preaching Hey, well I'm sorry but it's time to let you know Hey, well it sounds a bit like laughing I've been going backwards to let you know

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Wes Castelhano (14:38.51)

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Wes Castelhano (15:08.824)

Hey, hey, hey. All right. Welcome to this edition of At the Mic. I'm your host, Keith Malinak. And I figured, look, we didn't have a guest today. Thought I would just turn the camera on so you could just stare at for 15 minutes. And it was 15 minutes of music as opposed to the standard 10 minutes of pregame music today because I wanted to get in four bands that I thought.

were Hall of Fame worthy, Rock and Roll Hall of Fame worthy. You know what I should have done? The monkeys were missing from that list. We could have started this, 20 minutes ago. Put Oasis in there. Did Oasis make it, y'all? I forget. I honestly, I already forgot. They just had the vote. And of course, yet again, Tommy James and the Shondells not even nominated. I was glad to see Phil Collins get in there.

in excess snubbed. That's tragic. You know what else is tragic is when I leave the banner on forever. okay. So there we go. so yeah, so I had a Boston, Tommy James in excess and the con else.

Wes Castelhano (16:24.216)

popular in Europe where the Connells in the mid 90s. You should look that up because I know how much you care. All right, so welcome to this edition of At the Mic. Like I said, this is the Wednesday wild card edition. As always, so grateful for not only your presence here, but also for when you like and share and subscribe and rate and review all the things.

all the things very grateful for that. And before I want to better put a tweet up here for us to look at if you tuned in today and you're like, what the hell is so Wednesday could be anything. And it's going to be a bunch of stories lost to history. I don't know how many of these we're going to get to today. But I've got a lot and they're all they're in chronological order in my stack. So if we don't get to all of them today, then we'll do that in the future. For sure. I mean, maybe this will suck.

Maybe it'll be fun. Maybe it already sucks for you. I don't know. But I'm still grateful for you being here and hanging out and sharing the show like you do. Scott Horton will be here tomorrow from the Libertarian Institute. He's going to talk to us about the lies that were told to sell America to get into the Iraq War. I we're going to touch on Afghanistan as well. And I'm sure it'll bleed into present day Iran. But it's an important conversation that a lot of people just

have no interest in having. And I find that shocking, honestly. Because when new evidence presents itself, I thought we were supposed to, we want to be educated. We write, we want to open our eyes if new information is available. And that's what we screamed about during COVID. And people just didn't wanna hear the information. And I'm not gonna be like that. And so it's a conversation that's long overdue.

and I won't waste your time with it today. That's tomorrow at this time, 3 p.m. Eastern, if you're interested in being a part of that. Everything you need is available at atmshow.com, atmshow.com, Wes and Gabby. They're awesome and they do great work for this little corner of the internet and I'm so grateful for that. Now, before we get started, I wanted to show this, I think I've gone over this before. I know I've gone over stacks of books that fall over and then they get mixed up and so if I repeat books, it's because I'm the least organized person ever.

Wes Castelhano (18:47.476)

And it's the most disgusting. It looks like a damn professor's desk, honestly. And then it's a damn professor's floor. And then I try to tidy the books up. And so you might get the same book mentioned a couple of times. And if that's the case, I'm sorry. So but recently somebody posted, what are 10 books that you wish everybody would read? And this was tough for me to come up with. I remember that at the time, not because I was trying to stretch it to get to 10, but there were some that didn't make the cut.

But here we go. And if you're interested, a lot of these are excellent for homeschooling. If you want your kids to learn very important information, the 5,000 Year Leap is right there. I mean, that's top of the list. That is the homeschool Bible, for lack of a better word. And make sure your kids learn that book from cover to cover. And they're well on their way into understanding how unique the United States of America is in relation to

The timeline of world history atlas shrugged. yep. Make sure they read it Make sure they read it y'all. I don't care how long it takes him I don't care how much bitching and moaning they do make sure they read the five thousand year leap and atlas shrugged and I've talked about this multiple times I have so many copies of this book around the house and I would love to talk to this guy sometime But I don't know that's ever gonna happen Brian McClanahan's the founding father's guide to the US Constitution

I mean, this takes you into the debates. This takes you right into what they were thinking, what they said at the time, and why the laws are written and the Constitution is written the way they are. And again, I'm out of shelf space. I'll just put you, well, we can't, okay, that would be sacrilege to put this in front of Richard Simmons. So we'll just put that book right there. There it is. oh, and then the alien guy, look at him. Just, when am I getting that alien disclosure, by the way? What's the timeline on that, huh?

Wes Castelhano (20:45.477)

Coolidge by Amity Schles. Honestly, I have multiple books on Coolidge somewhere over here. And multiple Coolidge books will actually suffice for that assignment. All right, The Real Anthony Fauci, Robert Kennedy. That's a great one. Again, should be The Real Anthony Fauci and The Real Bill Gates because both of them are exposed. Not that way. That would be terrifying.

yes. Yes. I didn't even look at this list for I went on the air. Where is that book? First Hand Knowledge? Behind the scenes of the CIA assassination? There it is. Well, look at that, I got a lot of these right here. There's the 5,000 year leap, a miracle that changed the world. Here is First Hand Knowledge, how I participated in the CIA mafia murder of President Kennedy. And then, can y'all hear this chair?

Squeaking like a ship on the ocean. Look, another, another edition. See, I got the hard copy here. That's what we need back here. This'll, this'll, this'll work better. This'll stay, this'll stay put. You know what mean? Look at that, huh? Look at that. I've never conversed with that guy. I'm not related to him. I get nothing off of promoting that book. I just want to make sure that you know about it. I witnessed to Roswell. We've done two episodes on Thursday on the deep dive.

That is a fascinating book. If you're on the fence with the existence of UFOs, aliens and whatnot, read that book. Then come back to me and tell me where you're at. Captains and the Kings, I don't put a lot of fiction books up here. In fact, Atlas Shrugged, well, I guess three of them are. Atlas Shrugged, Captains and the Kings, and To Kill a Mockingbird. Captains and the Kings, is that fiction? Is Atlas Shrugged really fiction?

I skipped the real Abraham Lincoln. yeah, that's that's sitting around here somewhere. That's very important. And then To Kill a Mockingbird, the only fiction book I've read twice. Yeah, there it is. What are the top 10 books you think every person should read? This is back in September that we did this. So anyway, no pressure to Bourne Genius for posting all of those titles. I just did it for you. I hope that you haven't been pounding away the keyboard. All right. So here we are.

Wes Castelhano (23:07.822)

story time. That's what we need to do today. We need to, you know what I should do one of these days. I have this history calendar, like history of day calendar. I should just read these. Yeah. And if you're tuning into Wednesday for the first time, I mean, this is, this is what you get. It's a Wednesday is like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're going to get. one interview that I would love to have on a Thursday is a Tommy James. Like I just mentioned earlier.

This is me, the mob, and the music. One hell of a ride with Tommy James and the Shondells. That would be awesome if I ever get that interview. I've come close. I've got to as like press person and then I get ghosted a couple times now. You know, I just, found this on the shelf. This is an awesome book. It just, this is, what was his name? Matthew Brady, the photographer.

pretty sure that was a photographer who really documented the Civil War. I think it's in here, name, it's called Landscapes of the Civil War. And it's got just all sorts of pictures from that era. I mean, this is Ford's Theater here. And I guess this is the chair that Lincoln was assassinated in right there. But I mean, it goes to all the battlefields. I mean, there is some

carnage in here and you're grateful that the pictures are old and black and white because there's some nasty things happening in a lot of these pictures. anyway, I just wanted to grab this since we were doing history today, landscapes of the Civil War. And the author is, it's edited by Constance Sullivan. But I think, what's his name, Matthew Brady? I should check the, yeah, thank you, Jenny Hu.

Use that book in your graduate school classes. I tell you, this was, see in Nebraska, and I hope this tape does not exist, but on East campus there in Lincoln was the TV studios back in the day. That was before they built the state of the art facility, you know, right after I graduated, but I digress. We had to go over to East campus where public broadcasting took place, like the state of Nebraska, whatever. And we had to do newscasts we had to do like documentaries and stuff. And this was.

Wes Castelhano (25:31.788)

This was my thing. was hell, landscapes of the Civil War. And so was like take camera one, take camera two. And so I had to get high quality photos of these made at Kinkos. Remember those? And so each camera position, I to pull out the card and all that stuff to the next picture by the time I came back around that camera and did the narration and all that stuff. So I hope those tapes are.

Not around. That's some interesting haircuts back during that time. That's for sure. In fact, I got a haircut today. Now hang on a second here. I'm a little, bear with me, because again, we've gone over this before. I'm the most organized person in the world, as you know. And I'm just looking at my stack here. That's not a euphemism, Brad.

And I'm just trying to figure out why I grabbed all of these stories. Did I say at the beginning I have 21 of these? And boy, at this rate, we're going to get at least two covered today. But no, I'm grabbing this first story and it says it's got a number two. Well, no, that's not worded properly. It's got a two on it. I'm go where the hell's Story number one.

I just want to make sure it wasn't the top 10 list. Where is story number one? It's going to be elusive story number one. It's going to become lore for At the Mic. Like one of these days, I'm just going to be like, hey, before we get started, let me read story number one that you got. You were gypped back on April 22nd. Yeah, Captain's in the Kings by Taylor Caldwell. It's good stuff, Mary. Hope you'll check it out. Well, hell, I guess we're starting with two. I don't know.

I tried so hard y'all. Okay, we're just going to start here. I'm sure it was great, whatever story one was.

Wes Castelhano (27:39.01)

Yeah, not fair. Okay, so let's start with ancient Rome, shall we? On our story time today, ancient Rome, this is really kind of, this is wild. Believe it or not, corruption has been around for a long time. We didn't invent it in America. ancient Rome, so in the courtroom, they would give speeches, but

you had to give them in a certain amount of time. And they were timed with water. They didn't have the digital clock on the wall. And so they would set the drip rate. So the more water, the more time you get to talk. And so lawyers and officials, they figured out a way to game the system. They would bribe the clockkeeper. Ha! Holy crap. Is this a story about soccer?

Wes Castelhano (28:38.592)

As an aside, I can't get into a sport where there's one person on the planet who knows how much time is left in the freaking game. Can't do it. I have to know. Add extra time. That's fine. Do what you do. But when I'm watching, I should be in on what the timekeeper sees. There is no reason we should. So in ancient Rome, they would

You could steal water so that your opponent would run out of time quicker. So minutes, hours, entire court cases were affected by tampering with the water. The Romans even had a name for the sneaky device, sometimes water thief. Corruption was so blatant that they turned the measurement of time into a commodity you could buy or steal. So when we say time is money, the Romans, they took that literally.

I don't know that that's where the phrase came from necessarily, but it easily could have been. You know what? Hell, let's just say yes. Tell all your friends. Time is money. Started in ancient Rome. Make you a big hit at the old water cooler. Sure office have a water cooler. The people congregate around the water cooler. I swear like women, they bring these jugs. Like I thought this was a big glass right here. I mean, they bring these damn like.

behemoths and then it's got the little time on it, you

And I'll say like 9 a.m. you should be here, know, 11 a.m. keep going, know, 1 p.m. you can do it, 3 p.m. you're in the home stretch. And so, you you see that they're behind and you're like, hey, you should probably start drinking more water because you're two hours behind where you should be.

Wes Castelhano (30:36.098)

The guys, I've never seen a guy carrying around like a water bottle with these little lines on it. Is that just a chick thing? Honestly, I'm asking. I don't know. I don't know. Sorry. Just bear with me here. Somebody stole my time in ancient Rome and I have to fix that. There we go. All right. So, okay. So I've always known or thought that like Eric the Red.

Right, he was, or was it Leif Erikson? Hold on, it was Leif Erikson, then Eric the Red, right? Somebody can help me in the chat.

One of them guys, they discovered North America, said, it sucks over here. And then they just took back off. For whatever reason, they didn't hang around. But this story goes back to 986 AD. I wonder, when do you stop writing AD after stuff? Is it just the triple digits? Because in the year 1000, people probably aren't writing AD, right? I'm sorry.

You know I'm going to do this. I can hear you already screaming. Yeah, common era. BCE, CE is common era and BCE is before common era. That's how they get around referring to Christ. They don't say before Christ. The first time I was ever exposed to that was at the University of Nebraska in Lincoln at an art history course. And clearly this granola art teacher. I needed the credit hours, Needed the credit hours.

I've told you about how I took a Greek mythology class and, ooh, got a D in that. I guess you're supposed to read the books. Excuse me. 986 A.D. Icelandic merchant Bjarni Herholsen. Bjarni Herholsen. Two S's, of course, and a J in there. look at this. I have a new addition here to the, new addition. They didn't make it, right? Rock and roll Hall of Fame.

Wes Castelhano (32:39.438)

Ugh. All right, here we go. This is what I'm talking about. His name is Bearny. Revol, no. Bearny, I'm not even drinking today. yet. Hair, hair, haja, haja.

Listen Boy way to prepare key way to prepare for your audience there it is the Arnie Harrelson Yeah, he's sailing to Greenland to visit his father when a storm blows him way off course He sites land It's hilly. It's beautiful, but it doesn't match the descriptions of Greenland his crew begs him to go ashore and explore Be Arnie refuses quote

We're here to find my dad, not sightsee. Turns the ship around and keeps going until he reaches Greenland. 15 years, there we go, see? See, I didn't get a chance to read it. I hit print and just ran with it. 15 years later, Leif Erikson buys Bjarne's ship. I'd forgotten about that. And does go explore. He lands and then names the places, starts the first European settlement in North America. Bjarne, you know, he's lost the history. Until today.

No, the man who technically discovered the continent never set foot on it. Be our knee. See? Take that to the water cooler. And so there you go. I mean, just, boy, I mean, at least pull over and read the history. That's what I try to do, you know, pull over and read the historical marker. hate to find out later that, my gosh, I could have gotten my picture taken the first place that bat creatures with, I don't know.

I mean, you never know what you're gonna miss. That was stupid. Sorry. So stop, you know, pull over or else you're gonna be lost to history like Bjarne. Rebel heroes. I could have done the dinosaur. Would you rather that? Wait. No, that's Crusty the Clown. I don't know, I'll get there. But I'm not trying. Okay.

Wes Castelhano (34:54.508)

Okay, so we know about the, audience surely knows about the, Leaf was Eric's son. Yeah, okay. Eric the Red, thank you. Thank you, Jennyhoo. I appreciate that. Heads up there. Thank you. Let me catch up on some of yous. What Coolidge book was on the? Coolidge, it's just called Coolidge by Amity Shlaes. But like I said, I, there's several of them and I think they're all underneath like, you know what? Here's a book you should get right here. You know what? Brad Staggs will never know I did this. In fact, I can't,

I can't show you this book because it's so much crap. I'll have it ready for tomorrow, maybe. He wrote a book. He's a big wig author that Brad Staggs, will be here on Friday. Friday.

on the Friday livestream. He's the only confirmed one so far. just want to be honest with you. All right, so what's the next story? So we know about the Mayflower Compact. We come up with just and equal laws to settle the colony. they did. mean, they were into God. Don't let the history books tell you otherwise.

But you can also be into other things and not just God. You can be into things like beer.

He says, while surrounded by bottles of spirits and whatnot. Little mini Jack Daniels there. I might save you for Friday. Did you guys see? I retweeted it. Did you see the Grimace guy said something about at the end of a long day, you just want to have a sip of whiskey from your favorite Grimace glass? Hello? That is the Friday live stream, sir.

Wes Castelhano (36:46.478)

Anyway, I retweeted it. Thanks to Toby for sending me that. Toby McEvoy. All right, we'll put Grimace back here. mean, that's what we do on Friday. We drink whiskey from Grimace. It's not a butt plug, Brad Staggs. OK, so it's November 1620. The Mayflower is bobbing somewhere off the coast of what's now Massachusetts.

66 days at sea, everybody's cranky, the ship smells like...

Bad things, bad things. Speaking of, let me get this pop up off my screen. There we go. It's not the best situation. And so these folks we call the Pilgrims, they were headed to Virginia. Whoops. It's a little different than Virginia. No Virginia. There is no Massachusetts. No, that was stupid too. So the captain, Christopher Jones, has a problem.

The beer is almost gone. It's almost gone. You don't want that. It wasn't a luxury item back then. Huh? I'm sorry, is it a luxury item today? Sorry, I'm just one man ban here. Bear with me. You know, I hate it when I make these references to things that I'm doing off to the side, the people that are listening later on Spotify or Apple, I love you to pieces, but you've got to be thinking, this guy hears voices in his head. You wouldn't be entirely incorrect there.

but I just, are visual things that maybe you're not seeing. So that's kind of when you hear me mumbling under my breath, it's one of two things. I'm referring to something that you can't see on the audio podcast, or it could be that I'm just having a conversation with my imaginary friend, who I have instructed to leave me alone between two and four central. It doesn't always work out that way. look at that, Jenny, whose family's been in Virginia since the 1600s.

Wes Castelhano (38:47.842)

Yeah. Okay. So yeah. gosh. Yeah. I see the rest of your comment. Yeah. Good luck, Virginia. Time for a forensic audit, which reminds me on Thursday, May 7th, our deep dive will involve a Jovan Pulitzer and we'll talk about your sixth conversation we have with him about election integrity. If you missed the previous five, they are all incredibly enlightening. And I would strongly encourage you to scroll around, ATM show.com or the YouTube channel.

All the links available at ATMshow.com. All right, so back to the beer, Beer was safer than water to drink, OK? And everyone drank it, kids included. The crew had been trying to hang on to enough beer to make it back home to England. So Captain Jones makes an executive decision. Forget Virginia. We're going to drop anchor right here at Cape Cod.

the passengers, like I said, they come up with the Mayflower Compact, so they get their houses in order before they go ashore. And it was obviously a very important decision and a religious decision as well. But they do go ahead and say, yeah, let's just go on shore, take our water barrels with us. The sailors did hang back on the ship to drink the good stuff.

So they were able to get that. Now William Bradford, course, one of the Pilgrim leaders who stopped communism cold in its tracks from taking root here in what would become the United States of America. But he actually wrote in his journal that they were hastened ashore. This is a quote, hastened ashore and made to drink water that the seaman might have more beer. In other words, the sailors get the beer. We had to go on shore and drink water. What the hell? So Plymouth Rock.

became the landing spot instead of Virginia Beach or a beach in Virginia, excuse me. The Pilgrims built their colony, brewed corn beer as fast as they could. And the rest, course, is history. So that's just, I love that. So in other words, clean water on shore wasn't preferred. So here's another quote from someone that was on that ship.

Wes Castelhano (41:09.742)

Let's see. Talking about water. I dare not prefer it before good beer. mean, was Martin Luther on this ship? Anyway, good stuff. And of course, they would go on to found the colony there at Plymouth, which would eventually...

become the United States of America where beer would be banned a few hundred years later, ironically enough.

Pilgrims like beer. Let's see here. Okay, so the Scottish kilt, okay. So the kilt is like the ultimate symbol of Scottish pride, right? So in the early 1700s, Thomas Rawlinson, an English Quaker industrialist running an ironworks in the Scottish Highlands, he got tired of his workers tripping over the traditional long belted plaid.

And so he took a pair of scissors and he cut the garment in half. He sewed it up, made it shorter, pleated a version so the guys would look good and it'd be easier to work. And they loved it. And so it actually is called a philabeg. P-H-I-L-A-B-E-G. Philabeg. Anyway, it means like a small kilt. So it becomes the national dress.

almost immediately. Rawlinson, the Englishman, never claimed credit. He just wanted his workers to setting their longer kilts on fire around the forge. And so, I to this day, I mean, that's still worn there. It's amazing. So as this note says, the next time you see a proud Scotsman in full regalia,

Wes Castelhano (43:06.494)

Remember an Englishman with scissors helped make that iconic look possible. So there you go. That's cute. I'm not going to say that actually. Alrighty, number six on our track to 21. Maybe we'll do it. Told you these are just short little stories from history that get lost or if you've ever heard them at all. So George Washington.

Okay, this this is the actually me. This is Keith playing the actually card. Okay, and by the way, I know that I tweet out stuff that is centric to my sports team. Sometimes I try not to overdo it on my timeline. In the more my teams suck, the less likely it is for you to be exposed to tweets about them. The Braves don't suck this year. But

CJ Nikowski is the color guy. No, in announcing terms, he does not the play by play, but adds the color. OK, he's white, so I can say that. All right, so CJ was they were talking about the weapon that Mandalorian because you know, you got 162 games, OK? You got to fill some time in. You don't have to fill as much time as you used to have to fill because now they've got the pitch clock. OK.

So there's less time for these little asides, if you will. But he and Brandon Gawdon are great. They're great. And don't forget Wiley Ballard, got the phone number of the chick in Toronto. I really want an update. I want to know if they're a thing. I want to know if he ever has crossed an international boundary to take her out. I mean, we just don't know. But if you missed that, it's a viral video where they egged him on, and he got the phone number of a fan for the Blue Jays.

Hilarious. So anyway, so CJ and they were talking about Mandalorian's weapon, and I guess he misspoke and said it was something. then the Star Wars crowd really started tweeting at CJ and made sure that he knew exactly the caliber, the gun, how many.

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I can't say bullets, many, how much it shoots in between charges? Anyway, so, and that I could just see as he was talking about all of the, and I go back and I looked at the responses of people. That was the actually guy, the actually me. Actually, so here, that's where this comes to play as well, because actually George Washington, not the first president, he was the ninth president, apparently.

thought he was the 13th. Between 1781 and 1789, oh that would make sense, nine years there, under the Articles of Confederation, who get a bad name. See, because you needed the Articles. The Articles of Confederation, they ran on the honor system for states. And it didn't take long for that to fail. So eight different men served as President of the United States in Congress assembled.

And John Hansen. Yeah, John Hansen of Maryland. That's the trivia question That's a trivia question for you He was the first After the articles were ratified. They were basically Chairman of Congress, know, know what it is. It's like the it's like the President of the Senate today is what it is. Yeah, okay Let's see here Then the Constitution gets written and of course

George Washington becomes the first person to hold that specific job under the Constitution. But if you wanted to say the first president of the United States, that would be John Hansen of Maryland. And in fact, when, I should have brought this up here, but downstairs, I'll find it, bring it up for show and tell maybe Friday. me write myself a reminder. So we have a...

Terry's great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandfather.

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His name was Stephen Goodrich, and he was a captain in the Revolutionary War. we have, and this is what, a serious question. When does it turn away from being a family heirloom to belongs in the Library of Congress? Sincere question, because you know, I've talked about Donna Collier, who passed away last fall, and it just, I mess corresponding with her. It just, what a.

great person and she looked up all of our family history and found all this incredible stuff. And a question I've always had was this one document that she found with Captain Steven Goodrich. And we have it framed and I'll bring it on Friday. it's signed by the president at that time, which was, it was John Hancock. So we literally have John Hancock's signature on this thing making

Captain making Steven Goodrich a captain and during the Revolutionary War. It's fascinating So, you know what look up here you go when was see sorry bear with me. Just just a one-man band here when was John Hancock president, let's see so this would have been a document from okay, so from

May of 1775 to October of 1777. So he was the president. Wouldn't have been the article. So I guess president of whatever of the Continental Congress. Hell, I don't know, man. But it's cool. It's got a signature and I will bring that to show and tell on Friday. Let me just pop that over there in my organized pile. Let's go to 1816 now, shall we? With our next little

nugget from history. Dr. Renee Lanik. So he's like, hey, they say, hey, need to you need to examine this young woman. She has heart trouble. And so what they would do back in the day, they would they would put the ear up against the chest to listen to the heart. And she apparently was not

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petite this patient. So he on the fly, the way I understand this, this was a spur of the moment thing. He rolled up paper into a tube. And then he is MacGyvered this thing with like pins or something. I don't know. He made this contraption. I think you know where I'm going with this into a cylinder, placed one end on the woman's chest, put his ear on the other.

Suddenly he hears the heartbeat, a heartbeat loud and clear, better than he ever had with a patient with his ear against their chest. And so he's stunned. This is happening in real time. He's having this discovery with this large patient of his. So anyway, he perfects the idea with a wooden tube, calls it a stethoscope. It's from the Greek word, chest watcher. Stethoscope means

chest watcher in Greek. You can think of some chest watchers in your life, some stethoscopes, I'm sure. Anyway, revolutionaries is medicine. And so this is back in 1816, all because this guy didn't want to get all snuggled up with his female patient. I think that's cool. That's pretty cool. Yeah, you're right, Mary. It's good therapy to post about sports. Yeah, I gotta let y'all.

Cunha hits home runs, you know? Okay, so here we go. Now we'll go to 1863. This of all these stories, this is one of those little vignettes from history that it rolls around. Like I think of this a lot. This little vignette here. I want to introduce you to a father, Giovanni Caselli. He's an Italian priest with a wild side.

No, he loves tinkering with electricity. And in the 1850s, he teams up with a French inventor and spends seven years building a machine that can send handwritten messages and drawings over telegraph wires.

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This is the world's first fax machine that was perfected in 1863, not 1988. So they call it the Pantelegraph. It's huge. It's six feet tall, OK? And it's got swinging pendulums. But it actually works. Napoleon III is so impressed that he gives

Kaselli, the Legion of Honor, and sets up a line between Paris and, is it Lyon? And so people send actual faxes in the 1860s. This is 30 years before the telephone. So 1863, I mean, in theory, you could have used this during the Civil War. I they had telegraph wires. All right, so they use ordinary ink. No special paper was needed.

30 years later, we needed all those for our fax machines. You could shrink or enlarge the image. The priest's invention was way ahead of its time. And the telegraph actually killed it. But Father Kaselli proved that just, see, now this is where I go back to some of the ancient technologies that we know. Because if you missed the Nephilim show, right, about a month ago, uh-huh.

Go back and check that one out. That's in the blue section at atmshow.com. I mean, this isn't quite pyramid building, but it's still cool. We think we're so smart and that people have never thought of the stuff that we come up with. And yet clearly, the fax machine invented 130 years before we knew about it. And I'm done with the Bjarne Herfosen. I might need this.

This is important real estate. might need this soon. yeah. Now we're into Civil War time. Listen to this one, huh? Got a couple of Civil War stories. OK, we got a couple of Civil War stories coming up here. All right. So Dr. Richard Jordan Gatling, right? OK, so people were horrified that would witness these battles during the Civil War. And it wasn't just because of the bullets. mean, was the disease killed so many as well as

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As you well know, I forget what the ratio is, but that was, it might've been more deadly. I don't know, somebody will look it up. Anyway, that's me demonstrating you typing for me when I do this. Again, the people on Apple and Spotify are like, what's happening? I'm just typing. Just air typing. I air type much better than I air guitar. I just want that note.

Okay, so Dr. Richard Jordan Gatling, he watches the Civil War, he's horrified at the death from the bullets and the diseases. He thinks...

Now keep in mind now, here's the headline of this little story. A Civil War doctor invented the machine gun in order to save lives. All right. Okay, so, but he's thinking if we can get...

If you're gonna get shot, okay? This is his justification. You don't wanna be like half shot and then you suffer while the gangrene and whatnot that creeps into you and you get the diseases and infections. If you're gonna die, just get it over with. That's literally his line of thinking here. So in 1862, he invents the Gatling gun, the first practical machine gun. It's hand cranked, fires hundreds of rounds per minute.

and is designed in his own words, quote, to supersede the necessity of large armies. So he's trying to make it, you know, less people needed to fight these wars. The Union actually tested it late in the war. And so he actually, Dr. Gatling believed that it would make war less deadly overall. I don't know how that works. If you're

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That's some twisted logic, but okay. All right. think I may, somebody again, you can look this up if you want. I feel like he regretted that. One of these gun guys regretted it, what they invented. And I forgot who that was. It may not have been him. Atlan, regretted, let's see here, hang on. I may be wrong here. Let's see here. Oh, wow. Wow.

They were used at the Battle of Little Bighorn. Yeah, that didn't. That didn't help. Yeah, he regretted it. Yeah, he Gatling regretted. And here's a let me just get this here. Let me show you this in case you haven't seen it. Maybe you can envision what it looks like. Look at this. Look at this. no. no. Yeah.

And there you go. I'm just trying to save lives, y'all. No, let's go to also in the Civil War, September 13th, 1862, near Frederick, Maryland. A lot of people know this story. This is fascinating. This is very fascinating. Two Union soldiers from the 27th Indiana are taking a break in a field when one of them spots something in the grass. It's an envelope wrapped around three fat cigars.

Now, they open this up thinking, look, we got some good eatin' right here, you know? But they find inside there Confederate General Robert E. Lee's Special Order 191. Well, what is Special Order 191? It's detailed battle plans that he has for splitting his army.

They rush these plans straight to George McClellan. Who, I mean, that guy sucked even with the plans handed to him, the enemy's plans handed to him. I he would get replaced shortly after. Anyway, he reads it and famously crows, if I can't whip Bobby Lee with this, I'll be willing to go home, end quote. He moves his troops exactly where Lee doesn't expect them. The result?

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The Battle of Antietam, the bloodiest single day in American history.

But it was the Union victory that gave Lincoln the opening to issue the Emancipation Proclamation which by the way did nothing at all Something we talked about in our conversation with razor fist if you would like to hear about America's first tyrant Abraham Lee Or Andrew Jackson anyway, I digress so check that out. That's a fascinating conversation with razor fist okay, so But this is what that battle

Zach Battle and Tietem. That's what kept Britain and France out of the war. They were about to side with the Confederacy. Holy crap, that could have changed some things. You know what's missing from this stack here? All of these stories right now at the same time are happening in the world. The Gatling gun is invented. The fax machine is invented.

These cigars here and then there's a fourth thing I want to tell you here So the top secret orders, I mean that's That right there. Can you imagine if he had said I think this is a fake? They're trying to you know mess with our minds I don't believe this is actually the plans anyway Boy the war could have gone a whole different direction because up until that time man the south was

And eventually they were going to just on sheer population, a war of attrition, they were going to lose eventually, but maybe not as quickly. don't know. But what I started to say is another thing here, Cinco de Mayo, that's coming up here. I make the case that Americans should celebrate Cinco de Mayo because yes, it was the Mexican army defeating France at the Battle of Puebla.

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on May 5th 1862, 63, somewhere in there. And I forgot what year exactly. But the French army was marching up northward and they were aiming to get up here to the United States and participate very likely with the South like you just saw there. And they met unexpected resistance and they lost. mean, imagine that.

French military loss. Huh, who could have seen that coming? So anyway, and so look, if you are glad that the United States stuck together and that slaves were freed and America lived happily ever after, am I right? No, then the Battle of Puebla and Cinco de Mayo, it's not the Mexican independence, that's not that, it's just this battle that happened on May 5th.

Maybe that's a deep dive we need, John Adams tried, look at that. You're going deep, look at that. John Adams tried, but got stopped what? To be a dictator? Yeah, look at who he put in prison. Just because he didn't like what they were saying. I'm telling you, man, I love the founders. I love what they did in 1776. But some of the biggest offenders of the Constitution were the early founders. I mean, look at how George Washington handled tax protesters.

Look at what John Adams did when people didn't like the way his foreign policy was being conducted. Thomas Jefferson bought the Louisiana Purchase without the approval of Congress. I mean, we make this rule book and nobody has ever followed it. It's not like it. So take heart. We haven't just been breaking the rules in the last century or the last decade in America. We've been breaking the rules since the opening pitch. OK. Let's see.

1890 Berlin. Buffalo Bill's Wild West show is packing the house with royalty. Little sure shot Annie Oakley, the five foot tall sharp shooter from Ohio is doing her signature trick, shooting the ashes off a cigarette held between someone's lips. No, thank you. No, no, no. I don't want to take that shot and I don't want the cigarette hanging in my mouth either to be the guinea pig here.

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Usually it's her husband, Frank Butler, but this night a cocky young volunteer steps forward. None other than Crown Prince Wilhelm, future Kaiser Wilhelm II of Germany. The crowd holds its breath, Annie raises her rifle, squeezes the trigger and crack. The ash flies off the cigarette without so much as singeing the prince's mustache. The future emperor walks away grinning. Fast forward to 1914.

World War I erupts. Annie, now in her 50s, reads the news and reportedly says something like, quote, if I'd only missed that day in Berlin, maybe this whole war never would have happened. That's awesome. That's pretty wild. But she was such a good shot, Annie Oakley. It's about the late 1800s America. just absolutely.

I love it. Love it. Don't get me started on a wild Bill Hickok and dead man's hand and all that stuff. Let's see here. Stand by just trying to. Yeah, no, that's good. Kara's right. Yeah, Washington hanged his own men that were traders. Yeah. Boy.

Make hangings good again.

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We'll workshop that. Make treason punishable again. There we go, huh? Yeah, we'll get back to that one. Teddy Roosevelt. Now, see, I give Teddy Roosevelt a bunch of crap, and deservedly so. And I'm not going to, maybe that's a Wednesday wild card. Maybe I'll just turn it into presidential Wednesdays, huh? What if we do that? Would y'all want that? Maybe once a month instead of every week. And we just start at Washington and get all the way up to the day.

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Or maybe we stop at Coolidge, because I'm just going to get bitter and angry after that. Before that, actually. All right. But let's go to 1905 with Teddy Roosevelt. College football is brutal. 18 players, 18 players in college football die in the 1905 season. It's brutal. Now, President Theodore Roosevelt

is a huge football fan. In fact, his son was playing football at Harvard at the time. he calls, I can see Trump doing this seriously, he calls the big wigs of football to the White House. And he tells him, you got to clean up your sport, or I'm going to ban it.

I didn't know the chief executive had that kind of pot. I digress. All right, the coaches, all the people in attendance, they listen, they rewrite the rules. One of the biggest changes was legalizing the forward pass. Before that, the football was basically, it was almost like rugby. It was just a shoving match with no passing allowed. But now you've got the game opening up, you got strategy involved, speed, skill.

They replace brute force. The forward pass saves football from extinction and turns it into the game we love today. So there you go. The bully pulpit doing good things there for America, if I do say so myself. so a case could be made though that when you get these players gather up enough speed, it feels like the impact could be a little bit more intense.

But now they have helmets. Because now the case is, the argument is that they feel invincible. Because, well, I'm protected, so I can't get hurt. And I stick by this. I absolutely stick by this. Put it on your calendar. Five years. By the 2030, let's see, 2039, I'm going to say, yeah. By the 2031 season, every player in the NFL will be wearing those inflatable, those large

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goofy cushiony helmets. Right now they're outliers. There's just a few guys here and there, maybe a couple per team. And you see the jumbo goofy ass helmet, And you admit it, you admit it. You sit on your couch and you go, look at that guy. But then you go, wait, no, that would be me. That's smart. That actually is smart. After you chuckle, you think for a moment and you go.

Yeah, okay, I understand. don't want to die on the I don't want to get paralyzed or or be knocked unconscious and have CTE and and spend my my waning years on this planet not knowing my name because I had to make that catch, know, so anyway five years NFL will absolutely require all of their players Wear those I'm convinced anyway, so There you go. Teddy Roosevelt. Mr. Roughrider himself Save football

Let me check the text here. I almost said tweets. The messages here. Yeah, if you're listening to this, this airs live. This is live at 3 PM Eastern on Wednesday, Thursdays, and Fridays on my X page at Keith Malinak. And then it's also on YouTube. Maybe somebody knows it. What is it? At the Mike Show? I should probably know this.

Because it made me change or I changed it and I had to put the at sign in front of it. And then I just totally forgot. So but it's on YouTube. In fact, born genius. I see Douglas. I see you are over there. Crispy Critter. A lot of y'all are watching over on YouTube right now. Yeah, thank you. I knew it was coming. You're awesome. Thank you. There you go. At the Mike show. So it's YouTube dot com slash at at the Mike show. There was a time when I see I'm old and when I was in college back in the 90s at the University of Nebraska.

Email was just a thing just it was no streaming yet You know none of that, but if you wanted to contact the show You I had to explain you know it's Whatever that was I don't know you come blue at Karen you dot Edie whatever the hell and I always have to say you know shift to you know it's at Shift to so they make you do the shift to for at at the mic show it makes it cumbersome

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at the Mike Show.

You know, when they gave us email addresses at Lincoln, you know, when we first started as freshmen in fall of 94, your email address was a number. It wasn't, you know, Kay Malinak or anything like that. It was a number. And every now and then, I'll just think, I'll try to remember those numbers. Right now is not one of those times. And I'm not even drinking. Maybe that's the problem. But it's like a seven or eight digit number.

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simpler times than 90s. Wait, yeah, don't tell. Yeah, I already saw it busted came in late, you know. I see that. And I think Toby arrived as well. Toby, I mentioned you earlier because you made sure I was aware of the grimace glass that that guy tweeted out saying it's perfect for whiskey. Yeah. Welcome to the Friday live stream. Oh, you know what? Hang on a second. I have grimace sitting on top of

A book that should have been on my top 10. Okay, this is nerd out. I talked about this book before, but it should have been on that list. This is my favorite book of all time. This is the, no, that's not it. That's not it. That's the American past. I like that book and I've talked about that one as well, but I like the United States Congress, 1774 to 1890 or whatever it is. And that's got, know, excerpts from debates and stuff like that.

I see it. Hang on. This is honestly, this is, this is my favorite. There it is. Witness to Roswell. Got to get that y'all. Got to get that. Got to get that. Please get it. There it is. right. People on Spotify are like, what in the hell is he? Is he straining or? The American Congress right there. See that now? This was published in.

1895 and there you go. It's the American Congress a history of national legislation and political events 1774 to 1895 I love this thing and Like a dumbass I when I worked with Glenn in New York City and I would take the bus and train and whatnot I put this in my backpack and of course the spine gets destroyed as I'm carrying it around like a dummy

Yeah, just go ahead and just toss that in your bag every day. A 130 year old book. Do that, bro. You're smart, Actress Hedy Lamarr. You know, she's complicated. I'm gonna talk to you about some amazing stuff that she did. And I mean that sincerely. Fascinating. But then you really start to look into Hedy Lamarr and you're like...

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We all have flaws. Let's just leave it there. All right, so 1933. Okay, so 18-year-old Hedy Lamar, Hedy Keesler, I guess was her real name, stars in the Czech film, Ecstasy. I didn't know this part was in my little print up here.

Hold on, this is actually, I'm giving you a lot of Heading Lomar facts here.

So that is the, she's the first woman to appear fully nude and simulate pleasure on screen. Okay, so 1933. That's where it all started. 1933. Oh, that's good to know. I missed that on the original. I just quickly just grabbed these stories from memory and then I didn't really pay attention. Nevermind. The movie is banned in the US. It makes her an international sensation, gets a...

gets her stuck in a terrible marriage to an arms dealer. She lived a life. It's a movie. it's a movie. And then the kid she gives up for a dime. It's a movie. Maybe it's already been done. I don't know. A movie about a movie star. Anyway, she escapes to Hollywood. Escapes, becomes a huge star, but a real genius is in the lab. This is unbelievable stuff. During World War II, she teams up with composer George Anne Thiel and invents a frequency hopping system.

So radio controlled torpedoes can't be jammed by the enemy. They patent it in 1942. I seem to recall she literally designed this in the back of a napkin. If I recall. She's so smart. There is so much that she has done. I can't keep them in my head here. So the Navy ignored her invention at the time. But the idea becomes the backbone for...

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Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, GPS, cell phones. You may be using all of those things as we speak and you can thank the first woman to appear fully nude on screen, Hattie Lamar. See? Like if Jeffy's watching, he's thinking, Don't knock it.

Let's see. Let's see, but that's funny. Sorry. I was just reading to myself here It just says the woman first known for first on-screen nudity Let you watch let you stream cat videos today

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brains of beauty, man. 100%. Petty Lamar. Now, a good host, I said a good host, so we're obviously not referring to this show, would have a picture of all these things you're talking about. Keith.

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Here's how hard it all are. Get that on the screen for you.

There we go. Hey, are we on, do we have video on the Spotify stuff, Wes? Hey, that would be useful. I don't know if we are. I should probably check that. All right, now this next story I'm gonna spend a little bit more time on. Because this is a book that should have probably been on the list, but it's just not in a room,

I'm going to reference a book about this here in just a moment. But let's go to July of 1945. Huh. It's almost like the government didn't listen to Hedy Lamarr in what was it, 1942. It might have. Now, I think her invention would have helped our torpedoes not get jammed, intercepted. I don't know that it would have deflected them. This I don't know. But.

mid-July 1945, following major repairs in San Francisco after a kamikaze attack off Okinawa, earlier that year the USS Indianapolis was assigned a top-secret high-speed mission. Perhaps you know what that was. Perhaps you know what's about to happen to the Indianapolis as well as I read. On July 16th, the ship departed, is it Marr Island, with a crew of approximately just under 1,200 sailors and Marines. Captain Charles B. McVeigh III.

Its cargo included enriched uranium and other critical components for the atomic bomb Little Boy. Destined for delivery to the Marianas, where B-29 bombers were preparing for the final stages of the Pacific War. The voyage was conducted at high speed without escort, reflecting the urgency and secrecy of the assignment. The Indianapolis arrived in the Marianas July 26th, successfully offloaded its deadly cargo.

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completing what would prove to be one of the most consequential missions of World War II, just days before the bomb was dropped in Hiroshima. The ship then proceeded to Guam for a brief stop before heading unescorted toward the Philippines on July 28th for routine training exercises. Intelligence assessments at the time suggested low submarine threats in the area, so Captain McVeigh was not required to zigzag.

The cruiser steamed at about 17 knots through the Philippine Sea alone and vulnerable despite its proud record of 10 battle stars earned across the Pacific theater. Then just after midnight on July 30th, 1945, roughly 300 miles from the nearest land, nearly 300 miles from the nearest land, the Indianapolis was struck by two torpedoes fired from the Japanese sub I-58 commanded by Lieutenant Commander Mochitsura Hashimoto.

The first torpedo blew off the bow and the second detonated near the powder magazines. The heavily damaged ship took on a severe list and sank bow first in just 12 minutes. About 300 crewmen went down with the vessel trapped below decks or killed in the initial explosions. The remaining roughly 900 men abandoned ship into the open ocean. Many with only life jackets and limited rafts or floater nets.

No effective distress signal reached friendly forces due to damaged communications and Navy reporting protocols.

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For the next four to five days, the survivors drifted in small groups amid extreme conditions, scorching daytime sun, cold nights, dehydration, saltwater poisoning from swallowing seawater, and untreated injuries. Sharks, primarily oceanic white tips, were drawn by the blood, the oil, the thrashing in the water, launching repeated attacks that claimed dozens to as many as 150 lives. They think that about 150 men were attacked and killed by sharks.

while they were awaiting rescue. It's a horrific story. Men formed defensive circles, conducted shark watches, and clung to debris. But exhaustion, hallucinations, and despair took a heavy toll. Many died quietly from exposure or deliberately slipped away to end their suffering. Rescue finally came by chance on the afternoon of August 2 when a US Navy patrol plane spotted an oil slick in the men in the water. A massive air and surface operation followed with ships like the USS Cecil Doyle arriving to pull survivors from the sea

Over the next day and a half, of the original 1,200 crew, only 316 were rescued alive. A handful more were pulled out but died shortly afterward, making it the single worst loss of life at sea in US Navy history. The ordeal ended just days before Japan's surrender, but the sailor sacrifice and endurance became legendary. Captain McVeigh was later court-martialed for failing to zigzag, though he was ultimately exonerated decades later.

The survivor stories highlighted both the horrors of war at sea and the quiet heroism of those who endured it today. The wreck of the Indianapolis rests nearly 18,000 feet deep in the Philippine Sea, discovered in 2017, serving as a final resting place for the sailors lost in those harrowing final days of July 1945. An absolutely tragic, just a horrific end for these young heroes. And the book, Ordeal by Sea.

the tragedy of the USS Indianapolis, details a lot of these personal stories and the final days of these sailors. If you'll permit me, I just want to read a little bit now. After the explosion and the men are out in the ocean treading water, know, begging, praying, desperate for rescue. Here's one paragraph. The men gathered in small groups. I think this is the day after. I think this is

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the day after the explosion because it happens at night, right? Did I say that? I think it happens late at night, middle of the night. So this is just the next day. These guys still have a lot of hope. It's not going to be long, right? Okay, so the men gathered in small groups and talked about what they would do after they were rescued. Most agreed they were going to take the world's biggest shower to get all of that stinking fuel oil off their bodies. And then they were going ashore to really live it up.

Such talk was good fun for nearly an hour after sunrise. And then the enthusiasm began to fade as the big hot yellow ball of fire climbed higher and higher into the eastern sky. Having suffered through some of five cold hours of darkness, most of the men tried to pretend they were reveling in the reflected heat. From all directions came the shout, a plane, a plane, did you see him? There he comes. All eyes would look to the sky. Anyway, it's...

They saw what they thought was a search plane. anyway, the plane didn't see him. Just terrible. Just terrible. To get that hope. OK. So a group of men had decided, we're going to go and swim. We're going to try to find an island. And this guy says, you can go if you want. So he's trying to talk them out of it. This one guy.

I think he's talking to two other guys and he's like, you guys gotta stop. And so they said, screw you, we're gonna keep swimming. We know there's gotta be an island out here. So he left them and swam back to the main group as luck would have it. He joined up with several other men who were in the throes of a different hallucination. This time, so these guys are hallucinating. mean, they're out there for days. This time, the leader of this other group thought he had a very small radio.

that only he could operate and he claimed he had just made contact with a submarine a short way off that were coming to take the survivors aboard. But there's one thing the sub commander wants me to ask you guys, the man with the radio said, do any of you wet the bed at night? And then one young guy goes, well, I guess I do every now and then. And then the radio guy says, well, that lets you out. You'll just have to stay here. I mean, it's just, I mean, this is just tragic.

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what these guys were going through, not only physically but mentally. Let's see, Kirkland and Carver watched another man swimming toward the little lifeboat and shouted words of encouragement. Still wearing the life jacket, he had gone all the way back down to the evaporators to retrieve after the Indianapolis had been torpedoed. George Horvath struggled toward the boat. When only 100 yards away, he felt his strength failing. He stopped swimming and hung in the water breathing hard.

It was then that he looked down and saw a dark object beneath him. It was coming closer. And he suddenly realized it was a shark larger than any he had previously seen. The creature rolled over on its side and the failing light of the afternoon reflected back from the cotton white belly. Oh God, not now, Horvath prayed. After such a long, long time in the water and seeing so many of his shipmates taken by sharks, he was going to suffer the same fate.

when he was only 100 yards away from the protection of a boat. The big shark continued to move toward him, swimming leisurely and rolling from side to side. The creature was obviously in no hurry. He had singled out his victim and he would take his time. That's when Horvath said, I bet I can out swim you. He said out loud, others heard him as he continued toward the boat. Others reported they saw him coming, hurriedly help him aboard. A dozen yards behind him, the shark rose

close to the surface, his tall dorsal fin sliced through the side of a swell, and then he was gone. I mean, there were just so many of these stories that were nearly tragic, and so many that absolutely were tragic. I'm trying to find this part.

where they had these kits where they could, yeah, yeah, it's right here, yes, okay, good, sorry. If I'm boring you, I apologize. I find it fascinating. Welcome to my show. They had these kits where that you would purify saltwater. And so they had this chemical with them. And so one guy says, look.

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Someone called out, here's a kit that will turn seawater into drinking water. Let's see here. The men of the lifeboat tried to understand the directions, but they could not force the words to make sense. I don't blame them. They've been out there floating at sea for days now. To hell with it, one man suddenly battled. If these chemicals will take the salt out of water in this can, then it can do the same in my belly.

grabbing a handful of the crystals from one of the packets and stuffing into his mouth, he began scooping up handfuls of seawater to wash it down. A short while later, he was rolling about in the bottom of the boat, heaving in agony. Just ordeal at sea. The tragedy of the USS Indianapolis. God bless our service members. Just, gosh.

Okay, so now, so that's happening at the end of July, August 2nd, they're rescued. We're gonna fast forward four days, August 6th, 1945, a 29 year old ship engineer was walking to work in Hiroshima, Japan when he saw a plane drop something attached to two parachutes.

Then the sky turns white. This man in our story here is Tsutomu Yamaguchi. He's less than two miles from the center of the first atomic bomb ever used in war. The blast ruptured his eardrums, temporarily blinded him, and burned the entire left side of his upper body. He crawled to a shelter and found his two colleagues alive. They spent the night in an air raid shelter. The next day, still badly burned, he boarded a train home.

To cross a destroyed river with no bridge, he had to swim through floating bodies. He arrived in Nagasaki on the 8th of August and went straight to the hospital. The doctor who treated him was a former school classmate. The burns on Yamaguchi's face were so severe, the man didn't even recognize him. The next day, still wrapped in bandages, Yamaguchi went back to work at the Mitsubishi shipyard.

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His supervisor asked him to describe what had happened in Hiroshima. As he was speaking and describing what had happened in Hiroshima three days before, the room filled with white light again. The second atomic bomb had just been dropped on his own city. He again was less than two miles from the center of the bomb and the explosion. His wife and infant son survived. He did...

lose hearing in his left ear permanently. His wife later developed radiation-related cancer, and his son suffered health problems throughout his life before passing away in 2005. Yamaguchi said nothing publicly for decades. Then in his 80s, he wrote a memoir and a book of poetry. And that's in his 80s. At 90, he traveled to New York and addressed the United Nations, calling for the abolition of nuclear weapons.

The Japanese government didn't officially recognize him as a survivor of both bombings until 2009. He passed away in 2010 at the age of 93. He is the only person in history officially recognized as having survived both atomic bombs. Wow. His name is Tsutomu Yamaguchi.

Whew, that guy had some stories, huh? That is wow.

Nagasaki, if memory serves, I think it was Nagasaki. That city had Japan's highest concentration of Christians. And in fact, the church steeple was the point for the pilot to look for, look for the highest point. So the bomb...

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The second bomb was detonated over the heart of Christianity in Japan.

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In 1946, British government introduced free school milk. This one, this is a guy on X that I just saw the other day, Sam Hull posted this. Yeah, okay, so the, I want to give credit here. That last post was from Dr. Lemma, L-E-M-M-A on X. This one is from Sam Hull. 1946, British government introduced free school milk for every child in the country.

one third of a pint every day, every day at school from the age of five to the age of 15. The milk was whole, full fat from British dairy herds. It was delivered to the school gate in small glass bottles with foil caps and then left on the doorstep in metal crates where it sat in the sun until morning break if the weather was warm and developed a slightly suspect taste.

that an entire generation of British adults can still describe with uncomfortable precision. Nicely worded. The generation that grew up on school milk was by every anthro... Don't do this to

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Yes, by every measure, the healthiest generation of British children ever recorded is the healthy posterity thing, but it's still a fun little historical nugget. I wanted to share average height increased bone density improved dental health, despite the sugar and every everything else improved iron deficiency rates among school age children drop. The growth charts that the Ministry of Health had been keeping since the war showed a consistent measurable year on year improvement that tracked

precisely onto the introduction of the milk program. In 1971, Margaret Thatcher, the education secretary, I didn't know that, cut free school milk for children over seven. The tabloids called her Thatcher the milk snatcher. She was vilified. She kept the policy. The next generation of British children, the ones who grew up without the daily third of a pint were measurably less healthy than the one before. The growth charts show it.

The dental records show it. The conscription medicals, while they lasted, showed it. The thing the milk had been providing, the calcium, the vitamin D, the vitamin A, the complete amino acid profile, the conjugated linoleic acid. I was going to say that, but thankfully it was already here for me. The fat soluble nutrients that a growing skeleton requires in order to reach its genetic potential was no longer arriving at morning break in a glass bottle with a foil cap. It was replaced eventually by nothing.

or by a carton of fruit juice, or by a packet of crisps from the vending machine that appeared in the school corridor in the 1990s. The generation that drank the milk is now in its 70s and 80s. They are on average taller, stronger bone, and longer lived than the generation that came after them. The milk was not magic. The milk was milk. It was the thing the body needed, delivered at the time the body needed it at a cost the government considered acceptable until it didn't. There you go.

Uh, but okay. Oh, 1946 again. Here we go. Yeah, I like this. I like this one. This is fun. Sorry, let me let me catch up on the old on the chatty chat here. Just appreciate all of your comments. Don't like missing them. I'm sorry. So bear with me here. Right. Me too. Kara ready for college football to start. Yeah, it's gonna be the year Nebraska is gonna go six and six. I can feel it.

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We're a basketball school now in Lincoln, Nebraska. And a volleyball school as you know.

I guess we have a football team as well, right? Right, Lil Red? You know, one of the saddest things I ever saw in my four years at the University of Nebraska, I was actually at a, okay, this isn't a punch line, it's gonna sound like it. So let me start it over. One of the saddest things I ever saw in my four years at the University of Nebraska, I was at a girls softball game. And I was there because they had a giveaway.

you thought I was saying that the softball game was sad? No, no, no, So I was only there because they were going to give away like $500 in free flights or something. And so the crowd wasn't that big. So my odds of winning was about one in four. Now, it's about, you know, 40 to 50 people there. I mean, I'll give it a shot. Kerry was living in L.A. and, you know, having free airplane tickets.

for a poor college kid was something to show up at, I think it was early on Saturday morning, like 10 a.m. or something. was like, all right, whatever. But Lil Red was hanging around the old ballpark and these punk ass kids were given Lil Red the business. And it was sad because they deflated Lil Red. And Lil Red was just this husk of a suit that was deflated.

And you saw the silhouette and the outline of the guy in there trying to hop all along to the locker room. And it was hilarious, but sad. So anyway, I hope that's not too traumatic for you. Me retelling that story. People listening on Spotify like, who the hell is he talking to? This guy is insane. And that's a fact.

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1946, we're in Paris, July 1946. World War II has been over for a year and you're welcome, France. A fabric is still rationed and French engineer Louis Reillard is sitting on a mountain of leftover swimsuit material nobody wants. He's desperate to move product. So he does something crazy. He designs the smallest two-piece bathing suit the world has ever seen.

Two tiny scraps held together by string. He calls it the bikini after the bikini atoll where the US had just tested atomic bombs because he figures this suit is going to be just as explosive.

No model in Paris will wear it.

They're scandalized. So Louis hires an exotic dancer named Michelle Bernardini. Michelle Bernardini from the Casino de Paris. She's used to wearing almost nothing. And on July 5th, she struts out in a public pool in the tiniest bikini ever made. Cameras flash, the crowd gasps. Within days, the photos are banned in Spain, Italy, and parts of the US. Holy crap, what parts? Hold on, no, I want to know. Aw, I don't have time to look this up.

below the Mason Dixon line, Utah.

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Let's see here. Where we going here? US Catholic leaders, sorry Catholic leaders call it sinful, but sales they go nuclear. See it's a play on the nevermind. Rayard had printed bikini right on the fabric so nobody could copy it without advertising his brand. Within months every beach in Europe is dotted with them.

The modest one-piece swimsuit that had ruled for decades was dead overnight. All because one guy with leftover cloth and zero shame decided the world needed less fabric, not more. So there you go. His name was Louis. So you know what? This is probably a name that people, why don't you use this one at the old water cooler, huh? Louis Riard. Some people might want to give him a national holiday. Oops.

people learn how to spell. Again, the people on the audio cast are like, what, are you? Okay, this was totally not worth it. I just want you to know.

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Luis Riyard. feel like I'm missing a little thingy in there. Let's see, where have we got here? Anyway, Luis Riyard is his name. It says French engineer.

French engineer. Fabric. I don't quite follow that.

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Here we go, Harvard, 1947, September 1947, the Mark II computer. It's the biggest, most advanced machine on the planet. It's acting up. One of the things that I remember from Mad Men was that massive computer. They had like the computer room. And it's just fascinating to think how we've come from, you know, the computer that fills up the whole room to

one of these little cell phone deals that fit in the palm of your hand. So thin. It's just fascinating. You know what else was fascinating is that the computer power that we used to get to the moon in 1969, took us another, well, nevermind. All right, so Grace Hopper and her team are troubleshooting this giant computer when they pop open a relay and find a moth.

A real honest to goodness moth was trapped between the contacts, shorting out the circuit. They carefully remove it, tape it into the log book and write first actual case of bug being found.

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Grace, a brilliant mathematician and one of the few women in the room, doesn't just laugh, but she coins the phrase, from that day forward, every glitch in the system is called a bug. That moth died a hero. Is that moth still around? That needs to be on display. And fixing a bug is called debugging. All because of this moth in that giant computer, huh? That's fun stuff. So, yeah, look at that.

It's in the Smithsonian Museum today. The moth taped to that log book. That is awesome. So that single dead insect literally gave us the language we still use in every crashed app, every frozen screen. When your phone crashes, it's a bug. mean, it all goes back to the moth. Use that one at parties. You know, people say that. Am I the only person that doesn't go to parties, doesn't get invited to parties?

Is it just me, like our party's a thing still? Is it a line that people use? Or am I literally the only person that isn't going to these parties that people...

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You can use it at a party, but you gotta get invited to one first. And then by the time I'm gonna get my ass invited to anything, I'm gonna forget all these fun stories. You'll just have to, you'll just have to relive it. Here's what you do. Okay? You take this show, you put your earbuds in, okay? And you just play it on repeat every night for the next month. And think of the stuff you'll have, the information you'll have at your fingertips at these parties that one day you might get invited to.

I'm sorry, I'm the one that doesn't get it. Anyway, so just get it to be subconsciously engraved into your head. Let's see, I'm just looking here, yeah.

the end. This story is we we are gathered here today because of this guy coming up from 1983.

I love this story. I hate it, but I love it. Moscow, September 26th, 1983, Lieutenant Colonel Stanislav Petrov is on night duty at a secret Soviet missile warning center. Suddenly the alarm screamed the Americans have launched five intercontinental ballistic missiles straight at the USSR. The computer says it's real. Protocol is crystal clear. Petrov is supposed to call superiors immediately so they can launch a full nuclear counter-strike. Billions of lives hang on the next 60 seconds.

But something feels off. The system is brand new and it's glitchy. It has a moth in the, a bug in the system. Five missiles, that's way too few for a real American first strike. Petrov stares at the screen, heart pounding and decides this has to be a false alarm. He reports it as a malfunction. He does not pick up the phone. He waits. Minutes crawl by. Nothing happens. No explosions.

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The sun rises the next morning. Later, they discover the system had mistaken sunlight reflecting off high altitude clouds from missile launches. Petrov's gut instinct had just prevented World War III. The Soviet military gave him a reprimand for breaking protocol instead of a medal.

He lived quietly until the story finally leaked years later. One ordinary officer, one calm decision in the middle of the night and the world kept spinning. Stanislav Petrov never called himself a hero. He just didn't want to be responsible for starting World War III. And I knew that was in there, that he got reprimanded. mean...

Yo, stop it. Okay. Now we are in 1968. Ladies and gentlemen, chemists, we're in the 3M labs. 3M labs. All

Chemist Spencer Silver has just invented a new adhesive that's terrible. It's sticky enough to hold paper, but weak enough that it peels right off without ripping anything. Ha! You know what? In this guy right here. yeah, there you go. Yeah, you know where this is going.

those of you listening to the audio cast, the host just held up a post-it note. Nobody wants it. And for five years, the stuff sits on a shelf gathering dust, literally the world's most useless glue. Then in 1974, another 3M scientist named Art Fry gets frustrated during choir practice. The paper bookmarks keep falling out of his hymnal. Suddenly he remembers Silver's failed glue. He slaps some on a scrap of paper, sticks it in his book, and it stays put until he wants to move it.

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light bulb moment. They tested on co-workers. Wait, what does that mean? Nevermind. Everyone starts leaving little yellow notes on everything. Desks, reports, refrigerators. Within years, Post-it notes are everywhere. The company almost killed the project multiple times. They even gave away free samples in cities just to prove people would use them. Today, we go through billions of these little Post-it sticky squares a year.

all because one guy's failure turned out to be the perfect amount. Sticky, next time you jot a quick reminder down and slap it on your monitor, remember some of the best inventions in history started as total flops. Ha, I love that, I love that. Because ain't nobody, ain't nobody uses more Post-It notes than yours truly. So I don't know, should I give a shout out to Spencer Silver for the sucky glue or to Art Fry for putting it to use?

Huh? Remember, you got to play this on repeat this podcast over and over while you sleep for the next month. So the next time you're at one of these parties, you can you can talk about this stuff. Okay, it's September 1999. NASA's Mars Climate Orbiter has traveled 460 million miles across space perfectly. It's supposed to slip into orbit around the red planet and start studying the weather. Everything looks good until the moment it

fires its engines for the final burn. Instead of gently sliding into orbit, the spacecraft dives too low, hits the atmosphere and burns up in seconds. $327 million, poof, gone, and a fireball. The investigation is quick and it is brutal. One team at Lockheed Martin had been using English units, pounds of force.

Another team at NASA had been using metric, newtons. Nobody caught the mismatch in the navigation software. Tiny math error off by a factor of 4.45 sent the probe straight into destruction. The report later called it the metric mix-up heard around the solar system. Engineers still joke about it. But the lesson stuck. In space, units matter. The whole disaster could have been avoided.

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with one line of code or one double check. Instead, Mars got a very expensive meteor.

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It's not just a rounding error. Okay, y'all. That's just sad, man. That's sad. So there you go. it's a

Metric, I mean, let's be honest, man. Metric makes more sense, the zero to 100 scale, as opposed to 32 to 212, if we're talking about temperature. Boiling is 100, freezing is zero, but no, we're 32 and 212, because we're Americans. And Americans do things the American way. My country, right or wrong, no metric for me. Seriously. Oh my goodness. Let's see here. Hang on a second.

Yeah, that's right. I saved the Post-It Note company. That's right. Yeah. I'm just looking at, yeah, we need the Iron Dome. We can't always count on the Petrov guy being there to push the button, you know? Sorry, I'm just trying to go through here. Let's see. So, Lynn, you say it's a great movie. Can you follow up with that since I didn't see when you typed that?

Is there a great movie on something that we just talked about that maybe I should go watch? Who are we kidding? I'm not going to watch a movie until it's been out for 30 years. That is, I think, the length of time between a blockbuster release and you're truly seeing it here. Oh, yeah. Thank you. I love that. Thank you, Bourne Genius. Ordeal at Ordeal Vicey. Yeah, thank you. The Tragedy of the USS Indianapolis by Thomas Helm.

Gosh, that'd be a fun, well, not fun, but that would be a very fascinating deep dive to have him on, huh? Let's see. I'm just looking here. Sorry, y'all, just trying to, let's see here. I appreciate all the comments. like everybody saying hi in the comments and yeah, that's right. That's right, Jenny Hoo, Teddy and Woodrow.

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Woodrow Wilson, we're a lot more alike than most people want to admit. Yeah. You know, we've kind of had the Uniparty for a long time in DC, wouldn't you say?

You know who isn't a part of the Uniparty and maybe the only one? It'd be this guy, Calvin Coolidge. Shout out to Silent Cow. If you guys have not, and I realize it's way out of the way, but if you have a chance to go to Plymouth Notch, Vermont, his hometown, they've got the town set up the way it was when he was a kid for the most part. It's cool. It's just a cool place to walk around and spend an afternoon. And you can buy a

Like his dad had a company there and like a dairy deal like you buy the what was it? It's cheese. I can't remember what else they sold. Just a few items, you know, and it's just a cool little setup there. Plymouth Notch, Vermont. Look it up there. I think it's run by the state of Vermont. I don't feel like it's a national thing.

which is interesting if I'm correct, since the state of Vermont is full blown communist, 180 degrees out of phase from where Calvin Coolidge was on politics. But let's see here. OK, so Lynn says a great movie was Romeo and Michelle. that Romeo Michelle? Yeah. But what was that one about, though? Which topic? Because I've heard that title many times, but I don't know what the.

what the subject matter is. But I do hope that you'll share this. Oh, you know what? Hang on. What's today? April 22nd? So help me. If the day in history on this little calendar thing is, it is.

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I'm not I'm not reading a frickin entry about Earth Day 1970. Shut up.

No, not doing it. Remember, we were all supposed to freeze to death.

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Now we're supposed to sweat to death or something. Anyway, okay, so I hope you've enjoyed this little story time and please share it. Please like it, share it, send it all over the place. know, just knock yourself out. Rate, review, post it. It's Romy and Michelle. Thank you. I had no idea. Really? I gotta go and find that. Pretty good, huh? Huh. Okay. Huh. Huh, okay.

But your help in getting the word out, atmshow.com and all the links, so much appreciated. Tomorrow we will do the deep dive with Scott Horton. And we're gonna go back in time, about 23 years or so. Talk about justifications that got us involved in these Middle Eastern wars. And let's just see if any lessons have been learned because there was a lot of information at the time.

that many people pointing at myself, back when we believed what our government told us and shame on me. So, but let's just see, let's retrace that history through a new lens that only in recent years have I been able to see and acknowledge my mistakes in that realm.

And maybe it'll be an education or maybe you'll be watching going, yep, see, I knew this at the time. And kudos to you if that's the case. But it's going to be a fascinating discussion because any time I hear Scott Horton speak on a topic, it's definitely intriguing. And it's very compelling information that he's always sharing. Let me see here. I look at that. Amelia Liberty 76 reposted this stream. That I love. I love it when you all do that. Thank you so much. I appreciate that a lot.

Okay, so we've got the Thursday deep dive tomorrow Friday I don't know who will be here Brad is confirmed looking ahead to the Thursday deep dives I finally you know how many times that I have referenced this This this wall list I have hanging out of sight that I can't read the handwriting and it's too small And that's what she said anyway. I've now hung it over here So now I can see it, but now I can't read my handwriting. I'm just kidding Okay

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What do we know about Willie Tepps? He's the guy. He's the individual who was in touch with Thomas Crooks, Butler, Pennsylvania shooter. That is going to be the April 30th Thursday deep dive at 3 PM Eastern. And then on May 7th, I alluded to it earlier, Jovan Pulitzer will be here for our sixth discussion on how to steal an election. Hey, Virginia, how you feeling today? The latest. You know what?

They're already talking about those mail-in ballots. That's the key, y'all. It's the mail-in ballots, and it's the window of time that you have allowed to vote into those. Dr. Jeremiah Johnson is going to be back here on Thursday, May 14th, our second conversation with him about the true facts around the resurrection.

And that's the stuff I love. The artifacts, man, I love that stuff. And he's just an incredible wealth of knowledge on Jesus Christ and the resurrection and all of the stuff involved with that. On Thursday, May 21st, we're to have a crypto discussion with the Garbear. What's going on with crypto? Because when I booked him, you know, it was falling like a rock. It's crazy, man. It's a roller coaster ride.

How long do you hang on? When do you get out? What does the future look like? I mean, it's maddening. It's freaking maddening. And I will never forget, I was listening to an interview with, you want to talk about somebody that's invested in crypto, it's Michael Saylor. And that guy's, he's always talking about crypto. And I wrote on my calendar, something he said in an interview, that on April 30th, Bitcoin will be at $250,000.

How we doing out there? Holdlers, we're at 78, 620 because of this recording on April 22nd, but I'm sure it'll go up to 250 within the next eight days. Anyway, so there we go. That's just what's on the horizon, the immediate future, looking through May 21st. I've got a lot of great topics and potential guests out there that I'm chasing, and I hope to bring those conversations to you.

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I do enjoy the Thursday deep dives, 3 p.m. Eastern on X and YouTube and then on demand, of course. All right. Well, look at that. Yes, Mary, thank you. Three shows. No bark. Thank you. Good catch. Yes. I'm so proud of the pups. Yes, I am. I will say that.

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We've had some conversations lately. said, hey guys, look, I know your dogs. I know you got to bark at stuff and warn the family. There's a leaf outside. You know, it could be a nuclear war starting, you know? No, be cool. Be like that Petrov guy. You know what I'm saying? Don't bark all the time. So they've taken those lessons to heart now. And now it's three shows without a dog bark. And I should probably hang up now before I tempt fate any longer here.

no, well good luck Mary. hope you stop barking here. that's interesting. Yeah, yeah, Jenny who she wants a deep dive on the Southern Poverty Law Center being involved with the August 12th Unite the Right rally. Yeah, do they have blood on their hands since someone died at that rally that they helped? Look, can I just? I don't want to spend a lot of time on this and maybe I'll flesh out my thoughts more on Friday with Brad, but it just. I'm sorry.

The Southern Poverty Law Center is a grotesque organization. I want to say that upfront. So they were paying informants with donated money to infiltrate hate groups. The FBI...

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They use your tax dollars that they confiscate under a threat of force against you that they use to pay informants to infiltrate hate groups. I know it's more nuanced than that. I got it. I got it. And there's a lot more to say. I understand. But it's just interesting. One of them. Did you see Steve Friend? I don't know if he's done his show yet, but he's got research on that case, the Southern Poverty Law Center case.

That was an IRS case apparently that was started under the Biden administration.

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Steve Friend, he hosts the American Radicals podcast. And I believe that that's a little tease for I think what's going to be his next show. He always brings receipts and tells us stuff that we don't want to hear, but that we need to hear. I got to have him back on again soon for sure as well. Anyway, thanks for hanging out. And for story time, maybe we'll do it again sometime. I don't know if you enjoyed it or not, but I'd love your feedback, good or bad. Truly want to hear it.

So reach out you can send a DM or I think you can email through ATM show comm but Bottom line is I appreciate your time. I know that it's very valuable and it's very limited So I am truly grateful for what you have to spend with us and we'll see you in I don't know about 22 hours or so with the Thursday deep dive talking about the lies that were told to us to get us into war after 9-eleven

with Scott Horton as my guest. hope you'll be here for that. Until then, please be safe. Thanks so much for hanging out.